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Old 06-04-2008, 09:07 AM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1 (permalink)
 
Doug Thorley post-cat exhaust installed

Received and installed the Doug Thorley post-cad exhaust last night. Initial impression: sounds great, no loud drone, best comparison is that it reminds me of the old British 2 seat open roadsters. Definitely an improvement and nothing that will annoy or wake the neighbors coming home late at night – not at all like headers on a muscle car. But then only test drove it less than a mile after installation. One & only passenger remarked that it sounds like it’s a lot more fun to drive.

Installation took less than an hour with the right tools at hand. And I know NOTHING about mechanics other than to be able to spot which bolts connect to what.

Instructions say to remove only the rear lower body valance BUT I don’t know how anyone could remove the heat shield cover over the catalytic converter, remove the old exhaust & install this without removing the entire back center body panel AND the bumper frame. And to remove the middle back body panel, there are two screws right in each of the upper corners below the bottom of the tailgate and to get to them, you have to peel back the ENTIRE back body panel that houses the tail lights starting at the passenger doors. And that means starting by removing the side bottom rocker panels.

Fortunately I had all the bottom black “orange peel plastic” panels removed for sanding & painting to match the body and was smart enough to wait for the exhaust to arrive before putting them back on. Made the job easier. But if your car is intact, expect to spend at least an hour removing body panels, assuming you know what you’re doing, before you even get to the exhaust. An all afternoon job. And if you run into a jam or need an extra tool, better have a second car to run get it.

Any mechanic could install the exhaust itself but few know how the body is put together so there's no real alternative than doing it yourself with patience to "learn as you go". Had it not been for the clear instructions posted by someone else on removing body panels for installation of the air horns ** by following them, I easily removed the front half of the car and by then knew how to do the back end. Otherwise, if you don't want to do it yourself, expect a trip first to the body shop to remove the panels and then to the mechanic.

The factory exhaust is a lot heavier and can see every part of it is shielded and insulated. Doug Thorley’s is lighter, smaller and just plain stainless. Really cool looking but no insulation.

Question: has anyone run into heat problems? Considering the body is plastic and this is at the rear without wind being blown directly on it, and the exhaust is literally inches from the body, am wondering whether heat buildup could melt or warp the body?

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I also put mine on last night (surprise gift). Took about an hour and I did not have to remove any panels except the lower Valance.

Removing the 3 screws was a breeze (thanks Nick) without removing panels or moving heat shields.

I have no mechanic skills and I was able to do it.

I agree with you it sounds better and has more pep.

To answer your question and I was wondering the same thing about the heat; ran my car for 2 hours around LA and put my hand on the back up and lower plastic and it was warm but not any warmer than with the stock muffler.

-Chris

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I also put mine on last night (surprise gift). Took about an hour and I did not have to remove any panels except the lower Valance.

Removing the 3 screws was a breeze (thanks Nick) without removing panels or moving heat shields.

I have no mechanic skills and I was able to do it.

I agree with you it sounds better and has more pep.

To answer your question and I was wondering the same thing about the heat; ran my car for 2 hours around LA and put my hand on the back up and lower plastic and it was warm but not any warmer than with the stock muffler.

-Chris

Good to know. I should be getting mine today if not soon!

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I also have one on the way, wondering how high up I will have to get my car to do this, can i just put it on some ramps?

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Good to know. I should be getting mine today if not soon!
If you get stuck call Nick @ DT or PM me and I will walk you through it.

I am also in the Valley.

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I also have one on the way, wondering how high up I will have to get my car to do this, can i just put it on some ramps?
I just laid on the ground on a pad. It was tight but doable. I imagine it would be easier if you had ramps.

-Chris

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I also have one on the way, wondering how high up I will have to get my car to do this, can i just put it on some ramps?
Still waiting for it to arrive. What tools did you use to remove/install the muffler? Thanks.

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Still waiting for it to arrive. What tools did you use to remove/install the muffler? Thanks.
From their instructions:

TOOLS REQUIRED
Ref. Description Ref. Description

1) 10mm Wrench

2) T25 Socket or Torx Driver

3) E10 Wrench

(I bought the ratchet wrench E10 on one side and E12 on the other to cover #3 & #4 paid like $20... very useful)

4) E12 Socket or 5/16” Box End Wrench

5) Flat Blade Screw Driver

6) Ratchet

7) WD40 or Equivlant


I bought everything on their list but I found that my 12mm wrench with box end (not on their list) was very useful when using DT supplied bolts to attach the new muffler.

I also left the foam pad on the body of the muffler until I was done so I wouldn't have to clean finger prints off then took foam pad off before I started my Smart up.

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If you get stuck call Nick @ DT or PM me and I will walk you through it.

I am also in the Valley.

Ha! I was just informed that I got a package delivered and guess what?? It's here!! Thanks for the offer, I will definitely take you up on it.

Regarding installation, I remember hearing it involved undoing some hooks and stuff from the floor under the driver's side. This sounds more simple from you guys now than it did back then. If that is the case thank goodness, I was afraid my non-mechanic self would have to take it in to get done somewhere.

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Thanks for the quick reply; now I gotta find E sockets!

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