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Old 10-12-2009, 02:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ECU Upgrade - Test Results

The results are in for the ECU Upgrade.

These are the result of the Horsepower and Torque at the wheel:


Stock 64.97 HP Torque 59.60

Remap 73.05 HP Torque 63.11

Remap+Hyperpipe 76.69 HP Torque 66.61
+K&N drop in

We ran each setup at least 4-5 times and the results were very consistent. Remember these are values at the wheel and that this does not take into consideration any air resistance. The shifting was smoother and we were able to run it at 122 MPH at the Dyno shop

STOCK



REMAP ONLY



REMAP + HYPER PIPE INTAKE + K&N FILTER


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Old 10-12-2009, 03:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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THANKS for sharing this. I need some education though. The max TQ and HP are very easy to see and have good results by why are there huge swings in each after the ecu upgrade. At some points the HP is going from 65 to 25 (72 mph). Is this someone lifting through the shifts after upgrade and the car having great auto shifts before?

Is the graph just very detailed and I've just never seen such swings like this?

would have loved to hear about 0-60 runs before and after.
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Thanks for posting the information. It must have taken quite a bit of time to do all of these Dyno runs. I am unfamiliar with what would looks good in a dyno, but why do a comparison of speed? Wouldn't a power vs RPM better show the increase in power? Help me understand what I'm looking at?

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Did you still have the Doug Thorley headers and muffler installed for both of the non-stock dyno runs?
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Something is clearly askew in the second and third plots. Remove the spikes after each shift, and the remap-only generates about the same peak as stock. The intake and filter push the peak to roughly 70 whp.

Area under the curve (which is just as, if not more important than peak figures) would be much easier to judge if all three runs were made in a single gear.
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Hello everyone. Cisco and I ran the dyno on 2 cars. Mine which has Cisco's orig. version 1 cold air intake ( the one that drops down by the axle ), Cisco's remap, Doug Thorley's Header, and Doug Thorley's center exhaust. The second car that we ran was Jeremy Cox from our car club IE Smarties. For my car, I was just curious to run it with all the mods. After I ran my car, i was very disappointed because according to DTH I'm supposed to be getting aprox 10 more HP and with all the other mods I was expecting at least 20-25.... Maybe that's me being nieve or wishful thinking, but thats what I was hoping. My car got almost the exact same HP increase as Jeremy's ( by the way all of the above results are Jeremy's 08 Green Convertible ) but I did get about 12 more ft lbs of torque. I will post my results on here too so that you guys can see them. As for the spikes up and down, when a Dynojet dyno is hooked up to a car, your back wheels are on rollers, and they hook a single plug up to one of the hot wires leading to a coil pack. That wire reads the RPM. The Dyno's wheel is whats reading the HP and the torque and the spikes that you are seeing are because when you roll something at a certain speed, to get it to read a higher inertia the vehicle turning the roller has to "catch up" to the speed of the roller. As for why we did MPH and not RPM its for two reasons. The first reason is because after the speed govn. was removed we wanted to prove that the car is geared to go at speeds over 120. Keep in mind that this does not mean that your car can actually drive 120 as you will have wind pushing against you. None the less you are capable of going 120 no prob, if you didn't have any wind pushing against you. The second reason that we did MPH and not RPM is because when a Dyno jet is hooked to the hot wire on the car, it is reading something called "pulse per revolution". Those of you who have wired aftermarket tachs like autometer or levins know that on the back side of the guage it gives you switches to adjust the PPR that acommodate different cars. For instance a 4cyl motor runs 4ppr, a 6cyl runs 6ppr and 8cyl runs 8ppr. Well a Dyno Jet is meant to run on one of those three common pulse readings. A smart, being that it is a 3cyl actually runs on 1.5ppr ( not the 3ppr that you would think ) The dyno jet is not capable of acurrately reading the 1.5ppr. We tried even doing 6ppr and printing out the results but if you take those figures and divide them by 4 it totally wasnt meshing with what the tach was reading on both cars, and we didn't want to post something that wasnt true. So far we are the only ones out here dyno'ing these cars. Any of you who are questioning our results are more than welcome to take your car to a dyno and try it yourself. The local dyno jet to us ( in corona, ca ) charges $79.99 per run and up. The "and up" is because they charge you for various other readings, which personally I think is a rip, but oh well. For instance they charged me an addition $20 bux to put an scope in the exhuast to measure airfuel. It took them all of 2 seconds to put the probe in and hook up the extra wire. But now I know that at idle and top speed I'm reading about 13:1 on air fuel which is really good. Also one last note, on all of the dyno work that we did, it was done in manual, not automatic.
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Oh and one more note, the reason the "jumps" are so tight is because the dyno reads on a a 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper, and we had to zoom out to see the 120mph mark. On the stock dyno run we only went to 95mph and thats why the graph is shorter. In hindsight I wish we had opened the screen large enough for the stock run then you would see the spikes on that as well, but my fault, I didn't consider this till after everything was modified.
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I just want to add that the graphs that we show above are the results using Jeremy's 08 convertible which was 100% stock. The intake was stock and also the exhaust. When we did the remap (only), the results were done with the same stock setup. We wanted to make sure we were comparing apples to apples.

Also, we used a local shop who has been in the industry for 25 years. The guys were very helpful and knowledgeable.

I think the results we have are good. We have finally accomplished our goal which is to give the Community Dyno results for the ECU remap.
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pitstopautoinc, thanks for your detail reply. I'm not educated in the ways of tuning and I just learned a lot.
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Expensive H.P.

Thanks pitstopautoinc. Great comparison.
I know the 12 ft/lbs increase had to improve the driveability of the car, but after I started adding up the retail costs of the different mods, it just seems to me that the H.P. increase of, (what?), 6 or 7 horsepower just seems awfully expensive.
I can read the charts, but what do you believe is the best "bang-for-the-buck"?
Again, thanks for sharing info.
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