Please tell me how installing one set of SPRINGS differ from installing another set of SPRINGS. I'll give you a dollar bill or 4 quarters or 10 dimes or 20 nickels... to explain it too me.
Please don't feed BS... a SPRING is a SPRING. The install will not differ.
your right a spring is a spring,
the install will differ though.... my custom rear springs can be removed by me easily and without any tools other than a jack, the std springs can not!
Theres your difference
btw the front on the other hand is a pita, and much more difficult to install any spring std or lowered compared to 90% of cars out there, mainly due to the strut tops being hard to access, then the strut not being bolted to the stub axle, as in most mac strut cars, it's easier to undo the pall joint and remove the whole strut with brake disc, and quicker too....
Like most dealers, the price they charge the customer for the work has little to do with what the mechanic is paid.
ahh stealerships!
here mechanical labor at a dealership is on average say $80aud p/h a good mechanic would be on $20-25ph, problem is 90% of the time it's an apprentice working on your car doing the basic service oil change etc... and they get anything from $6-20ph depending on years of experience till qualified
my old man is a self employed harley mechanic and he charges $60ph and he gets about $5ph after he spends the rest on beer LOL
the install will differ though.... my custom rear springs can be removed by me easily and without any tools other than a jack, the std springs can not!
But comparing two AFTERMARKET springs, that are both shorter than standard springs, they will be the same install.
However, $200-$300 is reasonable IMO for an install... you never know what you'll run into so let someone else worry about it!
I do appreciate your reply... you are correct in many of your statements. Springs do differ markedly in their characteristics, however, the spacing between springs does not have any effect on the install. As well, the spring must fit the vehicle in the same manner as stock...
...therefore, the only true difference (install related, not performance related) would be the spring height. Once the stock spring is out, most aftermarket springs will be shorter and the install is much easier. Two differing brands should install in the same fashion.
Perhaps the conversation with your installer was misinterpreted?
Nonetheless, I am in no way demeaning your product (in this case), since spring choice comes down to personal preference in most cases anyway.
I can't believe I am having to get involved in this argument! Smart Madness, and their installer are completely right! If anyone wants to argue with me you will be making a mistake. I implore you to watch RandyZimmer's strut removal and bump-stop install video. In the video he installs a spring that requires no spring compressors... If you think that is not easier then you should have your head checked for leaks. It's actually pretty easy to see how one install could differ in difficulty over another, unless you are comparing installs of the same brand...
That is my point! I installed the Eibachs, and you DO have to use a compressor. So, if you don't have to with the H&Rs then the Eibachs ARE more difficult to install! I'm not one of those guys that's just likes to talk out of my arse. I DID read what was said, but I have better information, apparently...
I am not trying to be inflamatory here, I am just getting frustrated by the implication that i am a liar!
I am not speaking from a hypothetical standpoint, I am speaking from directly relative experience. The Eibachs are more dificult to install than the H&R springs.
...you may get away with installing rear H&R springs without the compressor, but you would need one for the fronts since the springs are taller than the Eibachs. (if the springs are close in uncompressed length)
My issue was with the statement by Smartmadness, which I assume was just a misinterpretation anyway.
Well, from what I am told, you don't have to use a compressor on the H&R springs. I realize that they claim only a .6 inch drop in the front, but I am also hearing first hand review saying that the H&R springs are very rough riding. That indicates to me that the H&R's have a much higher spring rate. This would explain how they could be shorter uncompressed, but taller under vehicular compression.
That said, I think the Eibachs would be a better choice for those people who are looking for a lower ride but still comfortable...
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