installed new air intake/filter

[DavidV]

Originally Posted by Dunerunner

Is it me, or does it look like a fabricated air box could be made to house the K&N and connect to the Cold Air Port to the left. It also looks like that access to the Cold Air Port could be increased in diameter allowing more air flow.

Great minds think alike. :-)

-- DavidV

[jwight]

Originally Posted by arturo.vega

please accept my apologies

No need; there are so many versions of various smarts out there it's hard to keep it all straight. We certainly appreciate the input from those who have had their smarts much longer than any of us.

[DavidV]

Originally Posted by whalepirot

The point is, the filter is barely, if at all, less restrictive than a clean paper filter, which is much less expensive. The hot air effect is as you aver.

OK, I worked at K&N for three years and spent a lot of time in their labs. I don't want this to turn into a K&N commercial, so if anyone has any questions about their products, feel free to ask me offline. I use them on all our personal cars and have no qualms about using them on our Smart.

For the record, K&N filters flow significantly more air than pulp paper products (they are depth loading, as opposed to surface loading) and although a paper filter is in fact "much less expensive" it is also not a lifetime filter like K&N - so factor in the cost of replacement with this statement. Filtration efficiency is on par with, or better than, name brand paper filters.

So, at the end of the day, the K&N flows more air, never needs to be replaced, and filters as well or better than a quality paper filter. Yes, it costs more, but the added performance and longevity, for many users, justifies the higher price.

-- DavidV

[lowndex]

David,

I want my WORKS parts NOW. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

[BreathlessPerformance]

It is all a hype... are we the only ones testing and giving out the data and not just saying it works to sell it.

This test was done and did show a increase in IAT which did bring down the performance. It is very simple, take a 0-85 mph and you will see slower times with a open style aircleaner and not a sealed airbox. You will hear more noise and think you are going faster but in reality you are not.

Ernie

[DavidV]

Originally Posted by BreathlessPerformance

It is all a hype... are we the only ones testing and giving out the data and not just saying it works to sell it.

This test was done and did show a increase in IAT which did bring down the performance. It is very simple, take a 0-85 mph and you will see slower times with a open style aircleaner and not a sealed airbox. You will hear more noise and think you are going faster but in reality you are not.

Ernie

Hi Ernie,

I could be way off base here, but your post seems to be slamming a vendor on this board. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

Given your strong position against open-element air filters, no doubt you performed 0-85 mph performance tests for the intake mod that you sell - the Breathless side scoop. Could you please provide any HP or acceleration data for that product?

Thanks,
DavidV

[DavidV]

As for the WORKS "Smarter" intake, it is still very much in product development and the pics that have been posted so far are of an early development prototype on my personal car.

When the WORKS "Smarter" intake is released, it will be supported by testing demonstrating its efficacy. In fact, the plan is to get third party validation when the product goes on sale so that there is no question about whether it is capable of improving the performance of our cars.

After all, why take a vendor's word for it when a neutral third party can be more objective in their analysis?

-- DavidV

[xcrew229x]

Enough of the pissing contest. So far, Ernie is the only one who has posted any numbers, as I recall. He is merely pointing out the obvious. Until such time any other test results are offered, he has credibility. So far all I've heard from the other side is woulda coulda shoulda. Where's the beef?

[Dunerunner]

Originally Posted by xcrew229x

Enough of the pissing contest. So far, Ernie is the only one who has posted any numbers, as I recall. He is merely pointing out the obvious. Until such time any other test results are offered, he has credibility. So far all I've heard from the other side is woulda coulda shoulda. Where's the beef?

Agreed!!! Concentrate on the mod!! I think numbers on a dyno are great but they don't show increased HP thru air induction with the scoop. The open intake mod is good but not the answer due to increased intake temps. Let's fix it!!! The Air inlet port is too small, the filter has to be boxed in and insulated from the engine's heat.

The mission, should you decide to accept it; is to reduce the intake pressure required to shove air into the cylinder and decrease the air temp. increasing the density of the air in the cylinder.

[bull8042]

I never intended to initiate a pissing contest between vendors or anyone else. I am with Dunerunner though, let's see some real numbers instead of perceptions and put this mod to bed.