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Old 06-28-2008, 10:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Oil Temp and Coolant Temp Gauge Install

Hey all,

Been looking forward to this project for weeks! I will be posting parts of this project as I move along through the upcoming days.

In my previous race car project, I built a data logging system that has a CANBUS ability and communicates the ECU through a HMI touchable screen. With that, I could monitor just about every sensor in the car. A sample screen shot was this...




But for the smart, I decided to go with a more conservative approach. No customized HMI, no tons of wires running here and there. No deciphering CAN LO/HI signals. And hopefully no drilling (or destroying too much of the interior trims).

I have used VDO, Greddy, Defi, Autometer gauges in the past. IMO, the Japanese gauges are better in accuracy and quality. Although Autometer has vastly improved their product line over the last couple of years. Basically any gauge that runs in the $100 to $150 is worth getting. There's nothing wrong with getting $30 VDO gauges if a 10 to 15% offset doesn't bug you. Then there's the difference between mechanical and electrical gauges, which I shall not delve too much into for now.

I needed a metric gauge and that practically boiled down to Japanese gauges and a small UK company called SPA Technique. The unique feature about SPA is that it is a dual digital gauge. You can read two sensors from a single 52mm gauge. Note that the SPA gauge can be read in either metric or imperial units. Backlighting customizable to green or red. Warning lights can be programmed/recalled.



The next challenge is to find out where to tap the sensors.

First the oil temp sensor. In the past, oil temp sensors have been mounted in the oil pan area, the lowest pt and preferably a location where the fluid flow is minimal. Drilling/tapping the oil pan can be a scary attempt for most. Ideally, it requires removing the pan.

The other way is to make use of the oil drain plug. As some of you may already know, we have a M22 plug. There are M22 adapters out there, ie Setrab/Mocal have them for example. M22 to a AN adapter would be ideal.

However, smart car drain plug is quite special. It has a wire gauze filter attached to the end of the plug. The reason is that oil is being sucked up through the drain channel to be recirculated from the oil pan to the moving parts.

I did a bit of work removing the gauze and drill/tap carefully. Here you see the end result:



If you wonder, yes, the oil does flow through and comes in contact with the sensor. Let me assure you that the structural integrity of the plug is not compromised in anyway. There are different schools of thoughts whether this is the best way to measure oil temp. I had 2 oil temp locations in my race car and one of them was similar through the plug. No issues that I am aware of.

What about the coolant temp sensor?

You will have to wait for the update this evening...

Thank you for reading.

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Old 06-28-2008, 11:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Now THIS is what I am talking about. Takes me back to my roots...

BTW, I love Defi BF gauges.

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Old 06-28-2008, 11:46 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Vince, good stuff! Just my .02, but I'd prefer an oil pressure readout vs. oil temp, but that's just me. Anyway, this look like an aftermarket kit in the making, maybe even including the modified drain plug on an exchange basis. Any chance of that?

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Old 06-28-2008, 08:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Vince, good stuff! Just my .02, but I'd prefer an oil pressure readout vs. oil temp, but that's just me. Anyway, this look like an aftermarket kit in the making, maybe even including the modified drain plug on an exchange basis. Any chance of that?
Just posted on the other thread. I would also prefer oil press and water temp thanks for showing us.

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Old 06-28-2008, 11:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
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Update...

Pardon the late update...was working on the smart and the "other car". What a day!

To address some replies.

SPA does have a Oil Press/Water temp gauge. Part number is DG 200. You're right. Oil pressure is just as crucial. So I will be adding a second gauge that reads Oil Press + Volt.

Also, there might be a better way to tap oil temp/pressure than through the drain plug. I have that part on order and should be coming in next week. So jwight, hang on to that "modified plug exchange program" thought for now.

Ok, the temp sensors are in. The gauge is working and I took a drive. Everything looks good.

The coolant sensor takes the form of a t-junction. Not a terribly exciting part but you get the picture...



Hose size? 3/4" ID. The coolant inlet hose goes to the expansion tank (driver's front) and the outlet hose exits on the lower passenger's front bottom. Both hoses are the same size. Again there are different schools of thoughts which hose to monitor. I chose the coolant outlet. Reason is simple: coolant_temp out is the lower boundary in this relation,

coolant_temp out <= coolant_temp in.

I will post picture of the gauge and its location tomorrow. Time for some Zzzzz.

Thank you all for reading.

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Old 06-29-2008, 08:24 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Me too, please.

I am interested in paying you for a modified, ready-to-install part. If you go this route, please post a set of instructions with pictures explaining how to remove the part properly.

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Old 06-29-2008, 09:36 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I am interested in paying you for a modified, ready-to-install part. If you go this route, please post a set of instructions with pictures explaining how to remove the part properly.
+1...and I would even be willing to drive to you.

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Old 06-29-2008, 09:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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Some pics...

Ok folks pictures of the gauge installed.



Originally, I wanted the gauge to be installed side by side with the existing pods. It's a little more work than I thought. Firstly, you have to find a way to hide the harness. The tach/clock pods have wires hidden through the stems and the harness isn't that "thick". For a gauge that measures two sensors, and comes with an external switch, it will be challenging somehow to hide the harness. At this pt, I refuse to drill a hole through the dash.

So naturally the location I chose is nearer to the main instrument cluster. It sits nicely for now and is definitely well within the peripherals.

Here are the pics with a green and red backlight respectively:








Also, in case you wonder, the gauge holder you see in the picture is a $2.50 part from Home Depot. It's a pipe (schedule 80?) adapter. You got that right! I love visiting HD to scout for parts like that. A proper gauge holder should be coming in soon. For now this will do.

The oil does take a little while to heat up. If you start the car from cold, depending on the ambient temp of course, it takes about 15mins of street driving to open up the thermostat and to get the oil up only to ~45C. Short bursts of driving WILL hurt the car's MPG. The oil temp usually climbs a little faster than the coolant temp for obvious reason (ie I am measuring coolant temp at the outlet).

Oil temp max I have seen is about 83C. Cool temp max about 74C. Ambient 28C today.

Now I can sleep better at night.


lowndex, shane: are you referring to the modified drain plug as the "part"?

lowndex :
pictorial DIY meaning the entire process of wiring up the sensors etc?

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Old 06-30-2008, 03:47 AM   #9 (permalink)
 
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There was an awesome gauge available for the 450 from Welte Engineering - I have it in my car in the US. I think he is working on one for the 451. It essentially combines these 2 gauges, putting an LED screen where the clock would go. Not only does it have Water and Oil temps, it had boost, and several other configurable outputs; basically anything that can be read from the OBDII port.

It was perfectly integrated and very useful.

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Id post links and pics but this site wont let me yet.. shorlty

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