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Electric Drive Possible in the Near Future

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I've been looking into a more economical vehicle lately. My 2011 Hyundai Santa Fe has been netting me about 17mpg in the 10 miles each way to and from work and it's bugging me. I always liked Smarts, but I never seriously considered one before because I occasionally carry big heavy objects (pinball machines) that are hard to fit in such a car (though it's been done!). I'd also never seriously considered electric as a viable option because I periodically take 100+ mile each way trips. However, I'm thinking that if I were to pick up a Smart ED for my regular DD and have something like an old Ford Ranger on the side for when I need it, it would probably still be cheaper than the Santa Fe.
My jaw hit the floor when I saw the resale prices on the electric drives! $5500 for a 2014 Coupe with 14,000 miles? GTFO!

Is there a good reason for the steep depreciation that I'm not seeing?

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Battery Assurance Plan, aka BAP. It is a lease on the battery that may need to be transferred to the knew "owner", of the "sled".
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Take what you spend on gasoline and divide by four or five. Factor in a brake flush and about $50 for a filter and desiccant cartridge every two years.

You'll save even more.
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Virtually all electric cars depreciate quickly, except for possibly Tesla. Most first buyers have leased them, with the understanding that rapid technology advances would likely make a three-year-old model somewhat obsolete by the end of its lease term. There are some great deals to be had.
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I notice, with all current used EV's out there. Extreme vehicle depredation. Lots of Tesla, BMW i3's and Nissan Leaf, are sold in our city. Charging station everywhere. Even at our large parks.

The issue with smarts, Fiat 500 EV's. Where do you go for service? Fuel is extremely cheap here. There really isn't a need for one. The EV technology is changing fast. Driving range is increasing. I can wait. Lots a good deals out there, on used ones. I'd take out a extended warranty, on a preowned. If your interested in buying one. If it breaks out of warranty, going to be expensive to repair.
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The issue with smarts, Fiat 500 EV's. Where do you go for service? Fuel is extremely cheap here. There really isn't a need for one.
Assuming it is required, MB will service the Smarts for years to come. They have with all of their other vehicles.

Electricity remains about 80% cheaper than gasoline. If that's not material and valuable to the consumer, why not do a quick poll and ask your neighbours if they'd like to save that money? I'm pretty sure you'll get more than 80% of them to say they'd like it.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "need", but EVs are valuable for being cheaper and being good for the environment. We all breathe the air.

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The EV technology is changing fast. Driving range is increasing. I can wait. Lots a good deals out there, on used ones. I'd take out a extended warranty, on a preowned. If your interested in buying one. If it breaks out of warranty, going to be expensive to repair.
This is more a question of risk management, and the risks are low. Do EVs have fewer things to go wrong? Yes. So they automatically have a lower risk of requiring service. And in the specific case of the ED, it shares the bulk of its moving parts with the ICE smart (bearings, steering, brakes, suspension). So if you think that those parts are going to be a problem for the ED, they're also going to be a problem for the ICE smarts. Could an ED battery fail? Sure. Could an ICE engine fail badly and need replacement? Sure. What are the real chances though? The ED is a low risk purchase, especially if it does what you need, saves you money, and the price is depressed because people propagate FUD.
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Assuming it is required, MB will service the Smarts for years to come. They have with all of their other vehicles.

Electricity remains about 80% cheaper than gasoline. If that's not material and valuable to the consumer, why not do a quick poll and ask your neighbours if they'd like to save that money? I'm pretty sure you'll get more than 80% of them to say they'd like it.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "need", but EVs are valuable for being cheaper and being good for the environment. We all breathe the air.



This is more a question of risk management, and the risks are low. Do EVs have fewer things to go wrong? Yes. So they automatically have a lower risk of requiring service. And in the specific case of the ED, it shares the bulk of its moving parts with the ICE smart (bearings, steering, brakes, suspension). So if you think that those parts are going to be a problem for the ED, they're also going to be a problem for the ICE smarts. Could an ED battery fail? Sure. Could an ICE engine fail badly and need replacement? Sure. What are the real chances though? The ED is a low risk purchase, especially if it does what you need, saves you money, and the price is depressed because people propagate FUD.
Where do you think electricity comes from. Natural gas the main provider, and dirty coal. Nuclear power, solar, and wind next in our City. I can fill my little smart car with 8 gallons of fuel. Drive to the next major city. 2 1/2 hours later. Still have 1/4 tank fuel left. How about you in your little EV. The only EV on the market, I would be willing to purchase is the new Chevy Bolt. It has the range, dealer service network. Then add Tesla roof shingles to my home. Powering my car and home.

A EV, has a lot of expensive high tech components, that can fail. Don't kid yourself. Only a expert technician can repair. Very few capable shops can repair.
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Where do you think electricity comes from. Natural gas the main provider, and dirty coal. Nuclear power, solar, and wind next in our City. I can fill my little smart car with 8 gallons of fuel. Drive to the next major city. 2 1/2 hours later. Still have 1/4 tank fuel left. How about you in your little EV. The only EV on the market, I would be willing to purchase is the new Chevy Bolt. It has the range, dealer service network. Then add Tesla roof shingles to my home. Powering my car and home.

A EV, has a lot of expensive high tech components, that can fail. Don't kid yourself. Only a expert technician can repair. Very few capable shops can repair.
The whole power source argument is pretty dead. And dead wrong. For example, your state has shown one of the highest rates of improvement in GHG reduction by shutting down coal generation. Any EV driven there and charged on grid is getting at *least* 42-50 MPG in terms of power plant emissions relative to an ICE car. For the VAST majority of car owners in the US the rates are more like 75-95 MPG. For places where the grid generation approaches 100% clean, EVs are 100% GHG free, and renewables are the fastest growing segment for power generation. The folks in Texas are laughing all the way from their wind turbines to the bank.

Here are the 2014 stats so you can check: New Numbers Are In and EVs Are Cleaner Than Ever - Union of Concerned Scientists

I'm happy with our ED, it does 99% of our driving, but certainly if you need longer range you should buy a Bolt. It will save you a ton of money. Although your personal need to drive 100's of miles on a regular basis doesn't change the value proposition for the typical car owner. Who drives less than 35 miles per day. Well within the range of the Smart ED.

I'm willing to take the maintenance risk on our ED. When was the last time a gas engine ran without maintenance for decades? My AC furnace motor is still working after 25 years. No special technicians required...
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Only a expert technician can repair.
Yup, it's just another "purpose built" major electric appliance . . .

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