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Old 12-16-2008, 05:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Second mortgage meltdown coming?

Saw this Whitney Tilson guy on 60 Minutes this past Sunday:

A Second Mortgage Disaster On The Horizon?, 60 Minutes: New Wave Of Mortgage Rate Adjustments Could Force More Homeowners To Default - CBS News

Looks like it's going to get worse before it gets better.

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not to worry...they'll grab into the tax payers bag for another 700 billion dollars...

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It was reported last week that Wachovia required half of the mortgages they sold to be of the 'pick a payment' type that start resetting in 2009. Charlotte, NC was my former home town and when I look at what Bank of America and Wachovia have done to it's population I am just flabergasted. The unemployment rate is over 7.5% now, the bankers have really screwed people. Remember when qualifying for a mortgage was hard? The inventors of this kind of economic nonsense need to be put on trial for crimes against humanity. It certainly doesn't look like the people in charge of the financial world ever studied economics.
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Bailout

I send my request to the Feds to bail me out . I am expecting bettween 1 or 2 million in euros if possible.
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It's a good idea for lending institutions to reset the ARM's at 1-2 percentage points above what they were written at rather than have the buyers default. Even if they have to refinance that loan at 3 or 4%, that's better than getting nothing and having to sell a home in a soft market with tight credit.

Generally I see the mortgage industry holding a razor to their own throats on this and if they choose to make the incision, it's their funeral.
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Who said the first one played itself out yet.
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It's a good idea for lending institutions to reset the ARM's at 1-2 percentage points above what they were written at rather than have the buyers default. Even if they have to refinance that loan at 3 or 4%, that's better than getting nothing and having to sell a home in a soft market with tight credit.

Generally I see the mortgage industry holding a razor to their own throats on this and if they choose to make the incision, it's their funeral.
I agree and this reminds me of Trump back in the day. When he was going to default he told the lenders look I either default or give me more time and I will make it right (not his exact words). And he did. Too bad hes almost in the same spot LOL
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Remember when qualifying for a mortgage was hard? The inventors of this kind of economic nonsense need to be put on trial for crimes against humanity.
Indeed.

But have you ever wondered who is it that made it legally mandatory for banks to give people whose income evidence consisted of welfare checks and unemployment checks?



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I was a legacy First Union employee. I took a buy-out when FU and Walk-all-over-ya merged. I have never been happier and never looked back. I was a Senior System Analyst and bank officer. I thank God I saw the writing on the wall and bailed....moved to WV and bought a $50,000 house, a Smart and simplified my life.
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It's a good idea for lending institutions to reset the ARM's
It would be, except that they've already sold off the loans as CDOs. This means they chopped up the loan "profit" and sold it off to the market, bundled with hundreds of other loans. The banks don't really care that their mortgages are going belly up, because they sold them off to the sucker down the road who is now taking most of the hit.

Of course many of the same banks then went out and bought other CDOs from other banks as investments, and got hit all the same. Or, they invested in other things that invested in the CDOs a hop or two down the line. That why this is so dangerous. If it were just the banks, some would implode, and this would be over. Instead we're seeing this domino effect where one bank implodes, and then an insurance group implodes, then a hedge fund, then a trading firm, and then another bank...

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But have you ever wondered who is it that made it legally mandatory for banks to give people whose income evidence consisted of welfare checks and unemployment checks?
Sigh... Wonderful opinion piece you link to there. And yes, it is an opinion piece, it say so right at the top of the page. I love how Fox-rons feel the need to blame one party for this, especially since then tend to blame the party that was in the minority in both the house and senate at the time. The way I see it, the votes show that both parties voted overwhelmingly to pass the laws that allowed banks to lower their requirements on giving out loans. (Just like both parties voted to repeal the Glass/Steagall act, allowing banks to make the CDOs that are now causing this domino effect.)

Oh.. And it didn't mandate banks give loans to anyone. What it did do is say banks have to follow the same set of rules for evaluating who gets loans based on the loan value. It put rules into place to prevent banks from loaning to people when the house value was $300K, but not loaning to people 3 blocks over where the value was $70K. And it said if you require income to be X% of the house value for the $300k house, you can't require a different percentage for the $70K house.

Now you can debate as to weather those rules were the right way to go, or if they should have put some other thing in place. Monday morning quarterbacks all over the place are prone to do that. But at the time there was enough agreement from both parties that it passed and became law. This was when the house and senate were of one party, and the president was from the other, back in the mid to late 90s. (hint hint!)

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And let's be honest here, it's not the $70K homes that are breaking the market. It's the $300K+ homes that were loaned to people on 30+ year ARMs or "interest only" loans that jumped after 5 to 7 years. Many times they were given to people who weren't making enough to cover the projected payments when the loan was made. That wasn't a federal requirement, it was bankers being greedy.

I'm still not clear how ARMs are going up, since the Fed's been doing nothing but cutting the rate for the past few years. I can see it in the case of "interest only" loans (which are criminally dumb), but for all ARMs? I'd love to know what people with IO loans were thinking... Don't pay off your debt, just pay the interest at first, and hope your wages get higher to cover the jump when it happens? This despite the fact that wages have been flat to declining for over 7 years now? Yikes.
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