When you wrestle with a pig it annoys you and you get the feeling the pig is enjoying it. Also, when a wise man and a fool argue, no one watching can tell who is who. Not in this case; I can tell who's the wise one but you must like beating your heads against the wall to keep this up. It is a fruitless argument. Go outside and do something fun.
Leases are granted on land that doesn't have potable water, or water that is part of any groundwater system that feeds to human use. So that argument doesn't fly.
The electric car has been on the road and removed. Why? People don't want them. Yeah, some might, but those are the minority...a minority so tiny that it's insignificant.
Oil isn't going away. It's been around since before we were here, and it'll be around after we're gone. We just need to drill for it.
Your pal,
Meat.
Gee, Meat. I guess the people on the western slope of Colorado whose wells have been ruined weren't drinking potable water before the rigs moved in? I guess the oil company "moved quickly" just because they had nothing to do?
Those billions GM is spending to develop the Volt? Well, what else would they do with their cash?
Oil isn't going away? Ummm, oil started going away the day we burned the first drop. Oil is not water, and it does not fall from the sky. Clueless people like you need to take a geology course. Or maybe you could just read theoildrum.com for awhile. Engage in the discussions over there with the geologists, economists and oil field engineers. Just make the statements you make here and see how large a new rectal port they create for you.
For instance, your argument is "The mean projection for oil flow out of ANWR peaks at 1 million barrels a day;" ergo, it ain't worth it. But that is only someone's mean projection: in reality, we will easily get 2 millions barrels per day. With technological advances, we are getting oil today from wells that were supposed to be exhausted thirty years ago. In fact, we are re-opening wells that were discarded decades ago. We are getting oil from 6,000 feet under the sea, something considered impossible a few short years ago.
The truth is, the naysayers don't want the U.S. to get its own oil and create U.S. jobs because the naysayers oppose and dislike the automobile and the freedoms that it represent. They are happy with high oil prices:
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Originally Posted by WickedMessenger
I realize this is going to go over like a turd in the punchbowl, but gas SHOULD be $5 per gallon or even more. [...]
For instance, your argument is "The mean projection for oil flow out of ANWR peaks at 1 million barrels a day;" ergo, it ain't worth it. But that is only someone's mean projection: in reality, we will easily get 2 millions barrels per day. With technological advances, we are getting oil today from wells that were supposed to be exhausted thirty years ago. In fact, we are re-opening wells that were discarded decades ago. We are getting oil from 6,000 feet under the sea, something considered impossible a few short years ago.
The truth is, the naysayers don't want the U.S. to get its own oil and create U.S. jobs because the naysayers oppose and dislike the automobile and the freedoms that it represent. They are happy with high oil prices:
So, years of exploration by the USGS and oil companies, peer reviewed analysis by independents, and the American Petroleum Institute agree that there is a 50% chance of less than 1 million bpd, and a 50% chance of more than 1 million bpd. But you read on some unemployed PolySci major's blog that the number is 2 mbpd, so you go with that?
BTW no matter how you define "oil reserves" the estimates in the Bakkan field are: "Early numbers generated from this information placed the value at 200 BBbls later revised to 300 BBbls when the paper was presented in 2006.". In April 2008, a report issued by the state of North Dakota Department of Mineral Resources estimated that the North Dakota portion of the Bakken contained 167 billion barrels of oil."
I do not give a rats ass that they claim only 3.5BBbls are technically recoverable...when we approach $180~$200 per barrel they will find a way to wring all sorts of OIL out of rock and sand...bet on it
The OIL Shale in America is estimated in the GIGA barrels
The Bakkan fields are estimated conservatively at 150 ~200 Billion Barrels
I just bet that quantity will power 240 million, and growing, cars and trucks for a few generations to come...
NO Virgina, we are NOT out of OIL.... we are rapidly consuming all the EASY to get to oil.....
That's the point of the quoted article: people who oppose U.S. drilling for U.S. oil with U.S. jobs cling on to only to the most pessimistic assumptions... because that's what suits their narrative. In fact, use of a mere 2,000 acres of the ANWR will yield about as much oil as we import daily from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
But OK, let's be darkly pessimistic. ANWR will only give you 1 million barrels/day, which is only half of what we import daily from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. That not good enough for ya?
i think in order to make up your mind on whether or not to drill or mine in alaska or anywhere else in the US you should first visit that place and determine whether it is worth destroying that place in order to get the oil, shale or whatever. in the case of texas, it's probably worth destroying .. alaska, i'm not so sure - there are few places that come close to it's wilderness.
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