Has anyone heard of Ethos?

[nscaler]

Ethos Fuel Reformulator claims to increase gas mileage 7% to 18% and reduce emissions 30%. This sounds pretty good. 10 year history. EPA approved.
Now the interesting part is that they claim you don't need to buy premium gas anymore. The product increases octane (more oxygen).
So could you use this product with regular gas and not hurt the car?
I'm getting some and will keep track of performance changes. Just curious about the premium fuel part.

[jwight]

Article worth reviewing: Fuel saving gadgets - a professional engineer's view: Ethos FR

There's another post here about a similar product but I can't remember the name; somebody was going to try it and report back but haven't seen anything yet.

Found it! Hydro 4000.

[blackbeagle]

Just bought some myself. I like the fact that not only does it save on gas but also helps the engine runs smoother.

We'll see how well this actually works. If it doesn't, they will give you double refund back. How can you beat that?

[jefferios]

How much does this product cost, and is it worth it if your only saving at minumum 7% of gas per mile.

So if one gets 40 mpg averaged in their smart, and they add this stuff, with a 7% increase their mpg would improve to 42.8mpg. On a 8 gallon tank they would go 22.4 miles further and save $2.08 per fill up based on $4/gallon gas. 13% would give a savings of $3.96 on a $4/gallon gas.

Is it really worth it?!?

[jonnysan]

Originally Posted by jefferios

How much does this product cost, and is it worth it if your only saving at minumum 7% of gas per mile.

So if one gets 40 mpg averaged in their smart, and they add this stuff, with a 7% increase their mpg would improve to 42.8mpg. On a 8 gallon tank they would go 22.4 miles further and save $2.08 per fill up based on $4/gallon gas. 13% would give a savings of $3.96 on a $4/gallon gas.

Is it really worth it?!?

NOPE! Spend the money for the premium and give yourself a break.

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[Sylvan]

Water Car Run on WATER+Fuel. Hydrogen Save Gas=FREE ENERGY!

Ok, that looks like I'm spamming with an ad. But I listened to a show on Coast to Coast AM with the hubby one night that was all this guy and his business partner and this system sounds really really awesome.

[SuperGeek]

Originally Posted by Sylvan

Water Car Run on WATER+Fuel. Hydrogen Save Gas=FREE ENERGY!

Ok, that looks like I'm spamming with an ad. But I listened to a show on Coast to Coast AM with the hubby one night that was all this guy and his business partner and this system sounds really really awesome.

Ok, not to sound mean here, but... I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in this product. Here's my reasoning:


1) The website is horribly designed. A valid, tested product would at least have better marketing.


2) It makes hydrogen and oxygen gas from water... using "forgotten science" - which I remember from 7th grade.

3) Mythbusters showed that a car can run on pure hydrogen. But, adding hydrogen to your fuel changes a lot of the combustion parameters including fuel/air mix, timing, etc... sure, it's not gasoline therefore the MPGs of gas increase, but what energy does it take to create the hydrogen? Hydrogen burns hotter than gasoline, if I remember correctly, and is far more volatile. A leak of hydrogen goes boom. A leak of gasoline gives you warning first.


4) And the most common argument against these things is: if it's so great, why don't we have teams of engineers putting these in cars during design time? There's no conspiracy from oil companies here... if there were, you'd hear about a reputable university coming up with an award winning, proven, peer-reviewed design for a product that mysteriously doesn't get used anywhere.

[Sylvan]

Ok then. Here's a whole site dedicated to proving whether it's a scam or not.
Water4gas Scam Reviewed
A quote:
Water4gas scam: After reading all of the material I was left with the impression that this hydrogen system cannot only work but is also a very good idea.
I do think that the system has room for improvements. And this is the nice part of the water 4 gas system. It teaches you enough about the subject of turning water into hydrogen gas so you can make adjustments that fit your application and availability of components.

*shrug*

[nscaler]

I got some ethos off of Ebay yesterday. Usually it goes for around $22.0 for a 16 ounce bottle. The 16oz. bottle is supposed to treat 160 gallons of fuel. I bought 2 gallons for an average of 16 oz. for $10.27 - half price. My friend at work is buying one of the gallon bottles. He is going to try it on his big huge rear dually Dodge diesel truck. I will be using it on my smart. Pretty good spread on vehicle types. Another co-worker who told me of Ethos is trying it on a regular truck - non diesel. So we are doing our own little test.
Now I know this is not very scientific - but sounds like fun!