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Old 01-26-2008, 09:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Lift Points?

Anyone know for sure or care to venture a guess as to where the lift points are for getting this thing in the air and over our heads?

Looks to have two behind the front wheels, but the back?



And no "sway bar/coat hanger" jokes!

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Well, I sure hope some aftermarket outfit comes out with a rub strip for the back tailgate and lights!

Hopefully the factory alarm they are installing will have a motion detector that will start the LOUD horn as soon as the car is starting to tip.

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That's a 450. I think it's getting an oil change :-)
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... And no "sway bar/coat hanger" jokes!
The "sway bar" is actually the DeDion tube. I have wondered how they fit it in; this is the first one I have seen that passed around AHEAD of the differential. Creative iteration of a very effective rear suspension design.
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fishrdnc... sorry your are partl correct... it is a DeDion variant...

However, look closley at the top of the tube... attached to the frame/tridion on either side are the anti sway links and at the front corners of the "tube" are the counter reaction points of the very light weight small diameter anit sway bar

The front attacment "piviot" point is a rubber isolator (bushing)... to firm these up significantly it can be resleeved with a polyurethane bushing

Caution- the already reported stiff ride will get significantly more harsh

add 35 series aspect ratio tires and the butt will get numb or bruised
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Yeah, it is a variant. Normally the DeDion tube is located laterally by a Watts linkage between the sides of the frame and the centerpoint of the tube. The linkage allows the whole tube to move up-and-down, but not side-to-side. The Caterham Seven also had a torsion bar along with the DeDion with adjustable pickup points to alter the suspension hardness (or softness).

And the smart is the only DeDion that I have seen that does not pass behind a chassis-mounted differential.

The semi-independent DeDion suspension had been the choice of front-engine, RWD racecar builders from the ’40 onward, both formula cars and sports/GTs. It only went out of common use with the advent of rear engine cars with transaxles located behind the engine (no room for the DeDion tube, but plenty of room for long-“A arm†fully-independant). Porsche never used it; they used a swing axle instead.

The design has three distinct advantages: it will accommodate a tremendous amount of torque and stress for its mass; it reduces a lot of un-sprung weight at the wheels; it keeps the rear wheels vertical regardless of body lean or suspension travel (no negative camber needed). The smart DeDion looks relatively massive, but its tube does have to pass around forward both the transaxle and engine, not just behind a differential.

I assume that DeDion was chosen for the smart because there wasn’t sufficient room for the lateral “A-arms†used in a fully independent suspension.
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looks like it is sitting on two tow hooks wonder what is behind this shot.
also wonder how hard it is to drop the powertain cradle. nice belly pan.
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Enlarging that sway bar....

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fishrdnc... sorry your are partl correct... it is a DeDion variant...

However, look closley at the top of the tube... attached to the frame/tridion on either side are the anti sway links and at the front corners of the "tube" are the counter reaction points of the very light weight small diameter anit sway bar

The front attacment "piviot" point is a rubber isolator (bushing)... to firm these up significantly it can be resleeved with a polyurethane bushing

Caution- the already reported stiff ride will get significantly more harsh

add 35 series aspect ratio tires and the butt will get numb or bruised
Would seem to be fairly easy to do if one wanted to take away some lean. It would not affect ride too much either. Have to consider that once I see how the car really handles once I have mine (MAYBE....this week?)

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Enlarging the sway bar....

Don't you get those enlargement e-mails?
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OK, I set up my own thread for hijack by posting a joke about the sway bar (and I know a sway bar when I bend one).

Back to the question for all you gearheads: does anyone know for sure how the car's to be lifted?

(And I can't wait to get under there and sniff around.)
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