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List of motor oils and oil filters:

Smart car oil filters*:

Mobil 1 M1-108
Purolator Pure One PL-14612
Purolator L-14612
Fram PH-6607
Mitsubishi 1230A040
Bosch 3300
AC Delco PF-1237
AC Delco UPF-44 Ultra Guard Gold (not
verified)
Advance Auto Parts AA-14612
*There are probably others.

Motor oil*:

Mobil 1 0W-40 full synthetic (preferred)
Mobil 1 0W-30 full synthetic
Other premium brands: 5W-30 full synthetic
*There are probably others.

A sheet with a list of approved motor oils and their respective companies issued by the manufacturer was copied and pasted somewhere within SCOA Forum, but I can't seem to find it again.


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This seems to one of those items where I would have a link on the left side of the web site that is sticky. I would have one page for oils and filters, and one page for air filters. List in both threads which vendors and parts can be used. Might do the same for tires.

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... A sheet with a list of approved motor oils and their respective companies issued by the manufacturer was copied and pasted somewhere within SCOA Forum, but I can't seem to find it again.
The sheet refered to is an outdated iteration of "M-B Sheet 229.5" that is included in the smart computerized maintenance program (229.5 was formulated by M-B for M-B engines). On that particular sheet in the program, which significantly pre-dates the Mitsubishi-engined W451, there is only one product that exists in the U.S. just as described - Mobil 1 0W-40. By far, most of the others are 5W-30s (then, about 35 of 50+), all full-synthetics. My smart center has Penske's authority to use Castrol 5W-30 SynPower.

My call is this: M-B has gone out of its way to reduce the fingerprints of Mitsubishi on the W451 (they even gave the engine a M-B designation - M132 vs. Mitsu 3B21). No engine information or recommendations from Mitsu are made available to the public by M-B. But the 3B21 is a Mitsu designed and built engine, and Mitsu doesn't prima-face cleve to 229.5 (nor to the implied Mann-Hummel filters). So, any quality full-synthetic oil of the appropriate viscosity range for one's climate, and a filter at least equivalent to the quality Mitsu 1230A040 is good-to-go.

Other than its inclusion, among others, on the old 229.5, there is no reason to say that Mobil 1 0W-40 is a necessity. That smart requirement exists nowhere except in peoples' minds.

Here follows the CURRENT 229.5 (for whatever actual use it is):
"MB sheet 229.5 approved oils; "MB Longlife Service Oils"
for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain intervals beyond 229.3 oils, to 30,000 km, min 1.8% fuel saving, first oils introduced summer 2002. ACEA A3 B4. For gas engines of the M100 series, gas engines of the M200 series and diesel engines of the OM600 series (not models with Euro 4 diesel particle filters).
229.5 engine oils must be used with fleece oil filter designed for use with 229.5 engine oils.
AGIP Formula LL DC 5W-30 (I)
Aral SuperTronic G 5W-30 (D)
Aral SuperTronic M 5W-30 (D)
Castrol DCO TOPUP 0W-30 (D)
Castrol Syntec European Formula 0W-30 (USA)
Elf Excellium 229.5 5W-30 (F)
FormulaShell Ultra AB 5W-30 (GB)
Fuchs Titan Supersyn SL MB 5W-30 (D)
Labo MB 229.5 5W-30 (F)
Liqui Moly Longtime High Tech 5W-30 (D)
Mobil 1 SuperSyn European Car Formula 0W-40 (USA)
Mobil 1 Turbodiesel 0W-40
Mobil SHC Formula MB 5W-30
Motorex Profil M-XL 5W-30 (CH)
OMV full syn MB 5W-30 (A)
Pennzoil European Formula Ultra 5W-30 (USA)
Premium Synthetik Motorenöl 5W-30 (DaimlerChrysler, D)
Quaker State European Formula Ultra 5W-30 (USA)
Shell Helix Ultra AB 5W-30 (Mercedes-Benz) (GB)
Shell Helix Ultra DC 229.5 (GB)
Total Quartz 229.5 5W-30 (F)
Valvoline SynPower MB 5W-30 (NL)"
Rev. 2006

N.B. When it says "European Formula" that means that the certification labeling authority is the Association des Constructeurs Europeens d’Automobiles, while North America uses an API standard - they are actually quite similar; it is a matter of where they are marketed, and the actual brand designations may vary (e.g. "Quaker State European Formula Ultra 5W-30" is what we call "Q Horsepower 5W-30").

ACEA categories
A – Petrol engine oil.
B – Light-duty diesel engines.

A3/B3
For use in high performance petrol and diesel cars and light commercials where extended drain intervals are specified by the vehicle manufacturer and/or for year-round use of low viscosity oils and/or for use in severe operating conditions as defined by the vehicle manufacturer.

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There are three widely recognized lubrication standard agencies that are appropriate to smart operation:
American Petroleum Institute (API) – North America
Association des Constructeurs Européens d’ Automobiles (ACEA) – Europe
International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee (ILSAC) – International

The highest and/or most recent of those standards are:
API – Service Grade SM
ACEA –A3-A5/B3-B4-B5 (extended interval)
ILSAC –GF-4 (energy saving)

My preference, based upon my climate, is a full synthetic 5W-30, as concurred in by my smart center (scVAB) and R. Penske. My investigation of locally available full synthetic oils indicates six oils that conform to ALL of the above standards:
Castrol SynTec 5W-30 (used by scVAB in bulk)
Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5W-30
Mobil 1 Full Synthetic 5W-30 (still appropriate to my 5,000 mi/6-month change regimen)
Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30
Q HorsePower 5W-30
Valvoline SynPower 5W-30

None of the above are listed on M-B Sheet 229.5, but that does not bother me – the Mitsu 3B21 engine is not a M-B. I strongly suspect that the engines are delivered filled with Nippon (Mitsubishi) ENEOS Euro spec 5W-30 (SM, ACEA A3/B3). One of the two U.S. available ENEOS’ is non-ACEA, and the other is non-ILSAC; both are SM. No 40-weight or above (including Mobil 1 0W-40) oils meet ILSAC GF-4. M-B 229.5 calls for a “min 1.8% fuel saving” oil as GF-4 specifically is. The only M-B engines that M-B specifically REQUIRES 40-weight oil are the AMGs (M-B Sheet SI18.00-P-0011A).

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Smart car oil filters*:
{snip}
*There are probably others.
As has been pointed out by OldSmart, the Yamaha/Tokyo Roki oil filter 5DM-13440-00 (motorcycle/ATV) is identical, save for the label, to our Mitsubishi filter.

There is a K&N filter for the same Yamaha applications: KN-147



Product Style: Oil Filters
Height: 2.461 in (63 mm)
Outside Diameter: 2.807 in (71 mm)
Thread Inside Diameter: M20 x 1.5
PSI Relief Valve: 15.37
Anti Drain Back Valve: Yes
Style: Canister

There's also a HIFLOFILTRO HF-147.



See:
Hiflofiltro Oilfilters & Airfilters: Buyers Guide

HIFLOFILTRO manufactured K&N filters and probably still does.

Note that both brands of filters are considered decent quality filters, but not up to the quality and performance of the Purolator PureONE, Bosch, and Mobil 1 filters. The HIFLOFILTROS can be had online for about $5 each while the K&N versions are about 2.5x as much (so figure you're paying about $7-$8 for the welded on nut and the red dyed filter material).


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Filter Applications

Of the few high-end filters that I originally had interest in and approached the companies' respective technical people, three of the four have now added their specific listing for the 1l, I3 smart - Purolator, Bosch and Mobil. The fourth, AMSOil, has not listed anything. These are direct manufacturers' recommendations, not cross-references from something else.

Purolator Filters NA LLC lists: PureOne PL14612 (also PremiumPlus L14612, but that is not their best)
Bosch US lists: Bosch FILTECH 3300 (**)
Mobil lists: Mobil 1 Extended Performance M1-108 ( a recent listing)

AMSoil does not list one of their full-synthetic "EaO" filters, but they told me that one of their partners, Wix, was working on something. Presently Wix is nominating #57040, but it has not been finalized (“part number invalid and not available until officially announced through a new number announcement”).

** I initially approached Purolator, but the first responses were returned as "Robert Bosch LLC." Subsequent interface then was with "Rajan Ahuja, Senior Product Engineer, Purolator Filters NA LLC." Purolator is owned by Robert Bosch, and in turn Bosch is owned by Mann+Hummel Group (who invented the fleece filter technonogy for M-B). It is apparent that Rajan's testing and evaluation was used for both the Purolator and Bosch application recommendations.

Bottom line for me is that I have confidence in the three above noted filters because I know that there was hands-on testing done, comparing them to the OEM Tokyo Roki/Mitsu 1230A040.

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AMSOIL EaO Filters

Received by email 26 AUG 08:

"Dear Mr. Xxxxxx,

"Thank you for contacting AMSOIL.

"In response to your inquiry, neither the EaO09 nor the EaO12 have the correct threads to be used on your Smart. No filters are currently available, although Wix has designated a filter model for future release. The date of the release is not known to us, but will be posted on our website on the online lookup guide when it becomes available.

"As always, please feel free to contact us again if we can be of further assistance.

"Sincerely,
AMSOIL Technical Services"


The correct thread for the smart is 20mm x 1.5mm pitch.
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Purolator Pure One PL-14612
Purolator L-14612
I just happened to have several of these lying around. That's the exact same size as any 2.5 ltr Subaru motor takes. I have a 2.5 Turbo in my Forester.
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[QUOTE=Old smart;149349]Of the few high-end filters that I originally had interest in and approached the companies' respective technical people, three of the four have now added their specific listing for the 1l, I3 smart - Purolator, Bosch and Mobil. The fourth, AMSOil, has not listed anything. These are direct manufacturers' recommendations, not cross-references from something else.

SNIP

AMSoil does not list one of their full-synthetic "EaO" filters, but they told me that one of their partners, Wix, was working on something. Presently Wix is nominating #57040, but it has not been finalized (“part number invalid and not available until officially announced through a new number announcement”).


Hi Guys

Using the Yamaha number 5DM-13440-00 I was able to do a cross over to an AMSOIL filter. The Yamaha filter is used in the 660 Raptor ATVs. Using this info I was able to find the AMSOIL EaOM103 filter. Since im an AMSOIL guy, I pulled one off the shelf and tried it on for size when I did an oil change recently. Im happy to say it screws right on. Its about the same size as the Mobil 1 filter. Now I already had the Mobil 1 filter on hand so that it was I used this time around. I was hoping Amsoil would come out with an offficial filter to use on this car. So far, nothing. Same with NAPA. They do not list an oil filter yet. Needless to say, I will try the EaOM103 on my next oil change as it seems to fit just fine.

BTW, you can do a google search on the yamaha filter and get a lot of hits. Its is available many places for around $15 or less!

As always, ymmv

Good luck!
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