Finally, an answer for extra keys (I hope)!

[ASmartMan]

n-gen

There may be a plan B: Contact a shop in the UK or Ca (Fast Eddy is a good choice), you may be able to send the SAM with your VIN# and get new keys programed.

Just a thought

ASM

[lil.smartie]

Not 100% as I don't work in the workshop but I think we would need SAM, ECU and speedo from you car to code keys.

Kate

[n-gen]

thanks JPaul and ASM for the advice ...

I think ECU / SAM and keys are enough to send over to the uk and sort the problem out ... but it's a clients car ... and there are about 8 other cars which are in the same situation ... not starting for the past year or so... I did ask the owner if the car was hot or not and he said it's not hot ... so i could send the SAM's etc to some dealership...

but just before i do ... i've found a system online that will work on benz immobilizers and connects to the smart too. hoping it will get here in the next week or so, and if it works then all good. i'll post the name and link of the software for you guys.

do you guys know if there are ways of finding out if a car is hot or not? i could get the VIN from the cars. I actually don't want to promote theft of vehicles by providing this service and making money out of it ... so even if i can fix the thing I won't and would tell the client it's not possible with my machine ... n .. he'd have to contact some dealership.
If only i could verify that the car and owner really belong to each other.

[rgaus]

If you mean "hot" as stolen within the US? Not sure. If you mean "hot" as in illegal in this country and not converted to US standards, yes. I can tell you that. Provide me the last 6 digits of the VIN, the model year, and I can tell you if the smart is a legal or an illegal car in this country.

Ron

[HGB]

Since everything has been tried unsuccessfully... I have an idea.
What would happen if the battery would be disconnected on the smart for a few minutes for reset purposes, and then the key fob (fresh battery within) is then pressed continually as the battery is reconnected and remained pressed on for a short time, perhaps the two may acknowledge each other then. Maybe this has been tried... yet when you're grasping for straws....?

[n-gen]

HGB - tried your method, didn't help.

rgaus - by hot i meant stolen. the cars here are UK models so if they are stolen they would originate from the uk. but if i do come across any USA models i'll send you the VIN. thanks.

[lil.smartie]

Register for HPI in the UK to see if they are ones stolen from here.

HPI Trade Web

That's who car dealers here use!

Kate

[tony_kozaily]

i have a smart four too pure model 2003.the car was working properly when suddenly i tried to start it .i saw on the dash board the key image.fortunetly when u press on the key the lights flash but the car didnt open or close.and i m sure once it will open it will start.on the star dignosis i get a fault code B1052.I DONT HAVE ANOTHER KEY SO how best could this prob can be solved

[smart2]

I would try a new battery in t he remote! If won't work let me know i have an address in canada with tan code and instructions if you have access to the star diagnostic!

[ASmartMan]

Greetings All

Well I've been humbled, as you can see I have researched these keys (above posts). Read all the application sheets, came to a conclusion, on how these FOBs work in our 450s.

Then Don (I'm assuming a tester) tried something that I (a reader) would of thought to be impossible, he removed the FOB and his car started. Me thinking (where I read all applications sheets) he must be missing something, or has a spare key in the glove box, or etc.

Well, this morning (while 20 feet away from the car) I unlocked it and wrapped ALL the plastic of the FOB in tin foil, walked to the car, put in the key, turned it and the car started, I said to myself "Self how can this be" and self said "DON'T NO", so I made a post and ate a little crow.

Tonight, after I got out of the car I didn't lock it, wrapped the FOB in tin foil again, 5 min later I asked the wife to unlock (using her key from the bed room window), the immobilizer went off and my shielded key worked fine.

Here are the questions I sit here and ponder, where the FOB and the receiver have the ability to communicate and use a complicated algorithm to prevent theft, why is it not active on my 450 or Don's?

I must see if other 450 owners (UK, Ca )can verify this, and WHAT if they can't???? did G&K change something to disable the RFID part of the security.

Regardless, THANK YOU Don, you just made my quest infinitely simpler (I don't have to worry about RFID in a key solution )

If you all will excuse me, all this crow is giving me heartburn and I need to take something

ASM