Warm air = better mpg? - Smart Car of America Forums : Smart Car Forum
Home News Models Alternatives
 
Smart Car of America - America's Largest Smart Fortwo Enthusiast Community   Smart Fortwo, smart car, smartcar
HOME FORUMS GALLERY

Go Back   Smart Car of America Forums : Smart Car Forum > Model Discussions > smart fortwo (451 - US vehicle)


Notices

SmartCarofAmerica.com is the premier Smart Car Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
» Auto Insurance
» Supporting Partner
» Recent Threads
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-02-2009, 01:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Old Virginny
Drive: Passion
Posts: 88
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 6 Posts
Warm air = better mpg?

I've had a Scanguage in the smart for a few months now, long enough to notice that for steady highway cruising, the mileage readout climbs about 10mpg as the intake temperature goes from around 85 degrees to 95. Anyone else notice something similar?

bluedeuce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2009, 02:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
Bohemian Moderator
SCOA Club
 
jwight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Kettering, OH USA
Drive: Passion
Posts: 15,136
Thanks: 853
Thanked 946 Times in 596 Posts
Garage
Should be the other way around:

Quote:
Effect Conditions Average Fuel Economy Reduction Maximum Fuel Reduction
Temperature 20F vs 77F 5.3% 13%
The above results mean that air at 77 degrees reduces fuel economy by 5.3-13%. Air temperature can affect mileage because cold air is denser than hot air, and denser air means more oxygen for combustion per unit of air (and therefore more energy). So, all other things being equal, this means the fuel mileage can be decreased during the summer compared to the winter.


http://www.bellperformance.net/pdf/F...ageFactors.pdf
jwight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2009, 02:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
headless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sheffield, England
Drive: Cabrio
Posts: 1,124
Thanks: 1
Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts
Garage
I agree with JWight, and there should also be a performance increase as the colder denser air means more horsepower.
headless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2009, 02:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Drive: Passion
Posts: 22
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
We don't have a scanguage, but have noticed similar results. During the winter we averaged 35 mpg/city. As it has warmed up here, the same trips are averaging 41-42.
smrt4her is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2009, 03:22 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
ciscocali's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Riverside
Drive: Passion
Posts: 145
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Gas expands when it is hot. That is why it is always better to fill your tank in the morning when the gas is cold. By the time the day gets hotter, your gas will expand, giving you better mileage for that tank.

I haven't personally tried it but in theory it sounds like it would work.
ciscocali is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2009, 03:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Dallas, TX
Drive: Cabrio
Posts: 181
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Air Density . . .

I get the same performance difference on my motorcycle. In the winter, I get about 40 MPG on the highway, in summer its 45.
Probably due to two factors.
In the summer, air is less dense, so it requires less power to drive through the thinner air. Also, the less dense air results in less power available from the engine, meaning more MPG.
In the winter it is the opposite. The air is more dense, so it requires more power to push through it and you can get more power from the engine, so it reduces the MPGs.
It can also be sneaky. In the winter, with denser cold air, you feel the increased power of the engine, so you are tempted to goose the engine and floor it more often to experience the extra power available to you, further reducing your mileage.
The GMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2009, 03:55 PM   #7 (permalink)
Bohemian Moderator
SCOA Club
 
jwight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Kettering, OH USA
Drive: Passion
Posts: 15,136
Thanks: 853
Thanked 946 Times in 596 Posts
Garage
Don't forget the other winter effects - more drivetrain friction loss as it takes longer for the fluids to reach operating temp, and many folks let their cars idle to warm up (not good) which kills mileage figures.
jwight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2009, 07:10 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
Macaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Newman, Il
Drive: Pure
Posts: 524
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Maybe I'm just old but cold used to mean running a richer mixture = more gas used and warmer was leaner mixture = less gas used....
Macaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2009, 07:21 PM   #9 (permalink)
 
smart fortimo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Down by the rivers, Dry Side WA,
Drive: Cabrio
Posts: 1,978
Thanks: 13
Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts
I'm getting a couple to several MPG's better now driving in the 40-60*F temps over the winter 5-35*F temps. Same route, same speeds, same, same, same everything.
smart fortimo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2009, 07:25 PM   #10 (permalink)
SCOA Club
 
mvaldes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: maplewood, nj
Drive: Passion
Posts: 2,588
Thanks: 20
Thanked 52 Times in 45 Posts
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by smart fortimo View Post
I'm getting a couple to several MPG's better now driving in the 40-60*F temps over the winter 5-35*F temps. Same route, same speeds, same, same, same everything.
Same here
mvaldes is offline   Reply With Quote
Today
 


This ad will not be shown if you are logged in.

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hard start with warm engine. smartie1 smart General Discussion 3 08-13-2009 07:41 AM
Slow to warm up GordonD smart Operation and Maintenance 16 01-30-2009 08:52 PM
smart warm up time? sbernali smart General Discussion 10 04-05-2008 07:51 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:59 AM.



Smart Cars of America, LLC is not affiliated with, authorized by, associated with or have any connection with G&K, Zap, Mercedes-Benz, Mercedes-Benz AMG, Mercedes-Benz McLaren Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC, smart Canada Division, DaimlerChrysler, Chrysler LLC, DaimlerChrysler AG, Maybach, smart gmbh, a division of Mercedes Benz LLC, the manufacturer of SMART automobiles, smart USA Distributor, LLC, a division of Penske Automotive Group, Inc, the exclusive authorized U.S. importer and distributor of the smart vehicle or any of their official dealerships


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.
Ad Management by RedTyger