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Old 08-03-2008, 01:25 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1 (permalink)
 
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Consumer Reports still doesn't like us

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Despite gasoline prices, smaller doesn't always mean better
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The Smart ForTwo is a long-awaited minicar that's been buzzing around European streets since 1998, where its diminutive size, small-displacement engines, and distinct design have given it unique appeal. With elevated gasoline prices in the United States, the arrival of the second-generation Smart car is well timed, and initial sales have exceeded company expectations. Made in France by a subsidiary of Mercedes-Benz, the new Smart ForTwo arrived Stateside in spring 2008. We're testing a model called the "Passion Coupe," a two-seater powered by a 71-hp, 1.0-liter three-cylinder engine coupled to an automated manual transmission. The price came to $15,355 including shipping. INITIAL IMPRESSIONS

Measuring 40 inches shorter than a Mini Cooper, the Smart ForTwo combines flashy styling and clever packaging, though it disappoints with dynamics and overall value. Despite its tiny size, the high seating position makes you feel you're sitting in a small SUV. Generous glass, including a see-through roof, gives good visibility and a light, airy feel to the interior. The cabin is narrow, though, so having two people aboard makes for an intimate driving experience, although the seats themselves are comfortable. A very small turning circle makes it possible to pull a U-turn in your driveway. A car like this should be fun and zippy. Sadly, the Smart is neither. The ride is harsh, and broken urban pavement, this car's natural habitat, pummels occupants mercilessly. The transmission shifts strangely, with pauses and heaves between gears. Handling is not so responsive, and it takes a lot of wheel winding to coax the Smart through corners. The slow, noisy engine makes it necessary to plan ahead when merging into traffic, although once on the highway it can keep up the pace. Fuel consumption is a high point. So far we've been getting 39 mpg overall. The EPA rates this Smart at 33 in the city, 41 on the highway. However, the economy Smart requires premium fuel. Crash test results are quite sound. The Smart scored a Good in the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's frontal offset and demanding side-impact crash tests. However, the front test is based on colliding into a car of the same size. That means "Good" if you crash into another Smart. A giant SUV might be another story. CR'S TAKE

Despite its many quirks, the Smart can be rather endearing. But from a strictly practical standpoint, the Smart ForTwo is not so smart. Premium fuel eats up a good part of the savings from its excellent fuel economy. The car seats only two and provides modest cargo space. Although it won't gather a crowd of gawkers, we think a far smarter choice is the Honda Fit (due to be redesigned for 2009). The current Fit costs about the same amount, gets 32 mpg (34 with a stick shift), and has none of the Smart's drawbacks.

I'm pretty sure that the writer has a FIT because they are always recommending it over everything else. Consumer Reports just doesn't like us.

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Old 08-03-2008, 01:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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or Honda is paying him off.. plus I don't like the FIT

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Old 08-03-2008, 02:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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«The ride is harsh, and broken urban pavement, this car's natural habitat, pummels occupants mercilessly.»

Harsh compared to... what? A 1979 Cadillac El Dorado?

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Old 08-03-2008, 02:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Some of us see a car that "seats only two" as an asset rather than a liability.

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Old 08-03-2008, 03:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
ESP is not available on the Honda Fit at any price

Consumer Reports should stick to what they know best - reviewing vacuum cleaners and toaster ovens.

They never once mention the comprehensive suite of electronic safety systems in the smart, such as ESP, BA, EBD, Hill Start Assist, etc. and they never tell you that you cannot get ESP on a Fit at any price. And 32 MPG is very much lower than 41 MPG. These factual omissions are journalistically unprofessional at best, and reflect an obviously blatant anti-smart bias.

I refute their allegations that the smart is not zippy, and that it does not handle well. Take a ride with me on these New Hampshire back roads and you'll see! I call it a "little hot rod".

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Old 08-03-2008, 04:58 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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The Fit does everything better than the Smart (gas mileage excepted), but the Smart is much cooler.

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Old 08-03-2008, 05:22 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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Some of us see a car that "seats only two" as an asset rather than a liability.
I wonder if CR has stated the same complaint about other 2-seaters (MR2, CLK, Miata, etc), or are they just digging...

CR has a long standing reputation of being overly critical of unconventional automobiles.

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Old 08-03-2008, 05:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
Lack of ESP is a deal-killer

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The Fit does everything better than the Smart (gas mileage excepted), but the Smart is much cooler.
Well, I like the Fit, but the lack of ESP is a deal-killer for me in the snowy Northeast. I drive 6000 miles per month and I cannot afford to spin out on the highway like I did in my all-wheel drive Honda Element with no ESP.

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Well, I like the Fit, but the lack of ESP is a deal-killer for me in the snowy Northeast
Your chances of not getting killed in an automobile have increased dramatically roughly as follows:

1970s - 3 point seat belts
1980s - Airbags
1990s - ABS
2000s - Electronic Stability Control

International research has shown that single vehicle crashes can be reduced by 35 per cent in passenger vehicles and 67 per cent in four wheel drive and sports utility vehicles fitted with ESC —source: government of Australia

A piece of advice: do not buy any car has does not have ESC as you would not buy any car without seat belts.

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Old 08-03-2008, 06:40 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
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Consumer Reports speaks to the dumbed down car buying public. Sort of a "what's best for the masses" attitude. Those who choose to be different ignore that general propaganda. Good for us..........

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