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Old 09-13-2007, 07:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Smart EPA and NHSTA test results?

Any word on official EPA mileage/pollution and NHSTA crash test results? Wrapping these up I think will be a big step in getting our Smarts over here to the USA.

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Old 09-13-2007, 08:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Testing Process

To sell a vehicle in the US, the manufacturer must certify to the distributor that the vehicle meets federal safety and emissions standards. The NHTSA and EPA define the test procedures and acceptable results, but they don't actually test the vehicles themselves. The manufacturer is responsible for conducting the tests and certifying that their vehicles meet the standards. This testing is normally carried out at the manufacturer's own facilities, and I'm sure DaimlerChrysler has already done this, although they do not appear to have made any results public.

The NHTSA does conduct the NCAP (aka "Star Rating") crash test, which is a voluntary test intended to provide manufacturers with a "market incentive" to produce safer vehicles. This test is more stringent (i.e. 5 mph higher speed) than the federal standard test, but is not required in order to sell a car in the US (in fact there are many vehicle on sale here that have not been NCAP tested). Nor can a car "fail" the NCAP test, although a 1 or 2 star rating would clearly be a marketing disaster. I'm sure that DaimlerChrysler will want the smart to be NCAP tested (in anticipation of a good rating), but the timing of this is not a constraint on selling the car.

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Old 09-13-2007, 09:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Some of the 2008 EPA fuel estimates are out. Smart is not included yet, nor are Honda or Toyota passenger cars. The EPA has established a new testing procedure, which is supposed to give more realistic estimates. I am assuming that smart is making their estimates based on the new method. The new method pretty much downgrades everyone. Here are some examples of downgraded 2007 combined mileages:

Honda Civic Hybrid

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Old 09-13-2007, 09:46 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Some of the 2008 EPA fuel estimates are out. smart is not included yet, nor are Honda or Toyota passenger cars. The EPA has established a new testing procedure, which is supposed to give more realistic estimates. I am assuming that smart is making their estimates based on the new method. The new method pretty much downgrades everyone. Here are some examples of downgraded 2007 combined mileages:

Honda Civic Hybrid

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Old 09-13-2007, 05:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 09-13-2007, 05:28 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If you need or want a much larger car, then buy a Prius or a MINI.

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Old 09-13-2007, 05:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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If you need or want a much larger car, then buy a Prius or a MINI.
I don't need a bigger car, I want better fuel economy (already got a MINI). Smart should be able to do better.

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Still not very impressive compared with the much larger Prius.
Depends if you factor in purchase price and overall lifecycle costs.

I've often wondered how the EPA mileage test procedure deals with energy stored in the battery pack for hybrids. If a hybrid has less energy in its battery pack at the end of the test than the beginning, that would be sort of "cheating". Anyone know if this is allowed?

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Depends if you factor in purchase price and overall lifecycle costs.

I've often wondered how the EPA mileage test procedure deals with energy stored in the battery pack for hybrids. If a hybrid has less energy in its battery pack at the end of the test than the beginning, that would be sort of "cheating". Anyone know if this is allowed?
Never thought of that. Good point!

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Old 09-13-2007, 05:47 PM   #10 (permalink)
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(already got a MINI).
Yah, we all know that by now; gets tiring.

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