Yaris/Fit/smart get poor marks in collision (IIHS) tests - Smart Car of America Forums : Smart Car Forum
Home News Models Alternatives
 
Smart Car of America - America's Largest Smart Fortwo Enthusiast Community   Smart Fortwo, smart car, smartcar
HOME FORUMS GALLERY

Go Back   Smart Car of America Forums : Smart Car Forum > Community > smart News & Rumors


Notices

SmartCarofAmerica.com is the premier Smart Car Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
» Auto Insurance
» Supporting Partner
» Recent Threads
Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-13-2009, 07:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
To the XCAPEPOD!
SCOA Club
 
rfernatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Almost Heaven... West Virginia
Drive: Passion
Posts: 4,317
Thanks: 89
Thanked 438 Times in 214 Posts
Garage
Yaris/Fit/smart get poor marks in collision (IIHS) tests

Big surprise here - crash small vehicles into large vehicles at a fairly high speed and the driver of the large vehicle fairs better. I guess I need to go buy a Hummer H2 while they're cheap and still available...

Charleston Daily Mail - West Virginia News and Sports - AP Business - Small cars get poor marks in collision tests*


rfernatt is offline  
Old 04-13-2009, 07:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
Red Roller Skate
SCOA Club
 
fpage77's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC
Drive: Passion
Posts: 3,790
Thanks: 93
Thanked 34 Times in 24 Posts
OMG! I must sell me smart immediately and buy the largest vehicle I can find that gets 8 MPG combined. I must own something large enough that I can live in you know somewhere I can fit my big screen tv and my couch.

Last edited by fpage77; 04-13-2009 at 07:15 PM.
fpage77 is offline  
Old 04-13-2009, 07:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
Closed
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Gone my own way
Drive: Crossblade
Posts: 3,835
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts
The concluding paragraph is germane.
Old smart is offline  
Old 04-13-2009, 07:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Bmore
Drive: Passion
Posts: 17
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
This makes me miss my grandmothers 1972 Mercury Montego. I use to be able to lay across the front seat and be fully extended! Id like to see an h2 take that on!
honit2 is offline  
Old 04-13-2009, 07:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
Closed
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Drive: Cabrio
Posts: 4,244
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
What an odd report. I wonder what the true agenda is?
Suze is offline  
Old 04-13-2009, 07:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
Been smart for 3.59 years
SCOA Club
 
NCC1701's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Florida Panhandle
Drive: Cabrio
Posts: 5,773
Thanks: 438
Thanked 266 Times in 167 Posts
Garage
So, the message is that having unnecessarily large vehicles on the road is a public safety hazard, right?
NCC1701 is online now  
Old 04-13-2009, 08:23 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
Macaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Newman, Il
Drive: Pure
Posts: 524
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
The agenda is that the IIHS side impact test (simulated SUV hitting the car) showed the small cars were safer than MANY large cars/suvs so they needed to even the playing field....

Is it safe?...the definitive answer!
Macaw is offline  
Old 04-13-2009, 08:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
Orphan-Beggar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Earth
Drive: Passion
Posts: 840
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Why not drop it from a crane?

The institute has raised questions about whether stricter gas mileage rules, which are being developed by the government, might lead to smaller, lighter vehicles that could be less safe.

"If you were to take that argument to the nth degree, we should all be driving 18-wheelers. And the trend in society today is just the opposite," said Dave Schembri, president of Smart USA.

Schembri said the test simulated a "rare and extreme scenario" and noted that the fortwo had received solid ratings from the government's crash test program. The fortwo has received top scores from the Insurance Institute in front-end and side crash tests against comparably sized vehicles but in the front-end tests against the C Class, the institute gave the mini car poor marks.
Orphan-Beggar is offline  
Old 04-13-2009, 10:10 PM   #9 (permalink)
SCOA Club
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Spud country
Drive: Passion
Posts: 31
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
When someone up there want me I will let them take me.
spud is offline  
Old 04-13-2009, 10:34 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Drive: Passion
Posts: 85
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
New Insurance Institute smart test

Interesting test that goes to show you: when a car you're interested in has a star rating... it means that if a vehicle of equal mass hits you.. it gets those stars. In other words, if a smart gets 5 starts.... that means if you're hit by another smart you get the 5 stars. What are the chances of THAT happening? If you're hit by, say, a Honda Accord (much more likely) you're in deep trouble. If you watch all the way to the end you'll see what happens when a smart fortwo hits a mid-size. Yikes.....

Video: http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr041409.html#

IIHS news release

Laws of physics prevail: The Honda Fit, Smart Fortwo, and Toyota Yaris are good performers in the Institute's frontal offset barrier test, but all three are poor performers in the frontal collisions with midsize cars. These results reflect the laws of the physical universe, specifically principles related to force and distance.

Although the physics of frontal car crashes usually are described in terms of what happens to the vehicles, injuries depend on the forces that act on the occupants, and these forces are affected by two key physical factors. One is the weight of a crashing vehicle, which determines how much its velocity will change during impact. The greater the change, the greater the forces on the people inside and the higher the injury risk. The second factor is vehicle size, specifically the distance from the front of a vehicle to its occupant compartment. The longer this is, the lower the forces on the occupants.

Size and weight affect injury likelihood in all kinds of crashes. In a collision involving two vehicles that differ in size and weight, the people in the smaller, lighter vehicle will be at a disadvantage. The bigger, heavier vehicle will push the smaller, lighter one backward during the impact. This means there will be less force on the occupants of the heavier vehicle and more on the people in the lighter vehicle. Greater force means greater risk, so the likelihood of injury goes up in the smaller, lighter vehicle.

Crash statistics confirm this. The death rate in 1-3-year-old minicars in multiple-vehicle crashes during 2007 was almost twice as high as the rate in very large cars.

"Though much safer than they were a few years ago, minicars as a group do a comparatively poor job of protecting people in crashes, simply because they're smaller and lighter," Lund says. "In collisions with bigger vehicles, the forces acting on the smaller ones are higher, and there's less distance from the front of a small car to the occupant compartment to 'ride down' the impact. These and other factors increase injury likelihood."

The death rate per million 1-3-year-old minis in single-vehicle crashes during 2007 was 35 compared with 11 per million for very large cars. Even in midsize cars, the death rate in single-vehicle crashes was 17 percent lower than in minicars. The lower death rate is because many objects that vehicles hit aren't solid, and vehicles that are big and heavy have a better chance of moving or deforming the objects they strike. This dissipates some of the energy of the impact.

Some proponents of mini and small cars claim they're as safe as bigger, heavier cars. But the claims don't hold up. For example, there's a claim that the addition of safety features to the smallest cars in recent years reduces injury risk, and this is true as far as it goes. Airbags, advanced belts, electronic stability control, and other features are helping. They've been added to cars of all sizes, though, so the smallest cars still don't match the bigger cars in terms of occupant protection.

Would hazards be reduced if all passenger vehicles were as small as the smallest ones? This would help in vehicle-to-vehicle crashes, but occupants of smaller cars are at increased risk in all kinds of crashes, not just ones with heavier vehicles. Almost half of all crash deaths in minicars occur in single-vehicle crashes, and these deaths wouldn't be reduced if all cars became smaller and lighter. In fact, the result would be to afford less occupant protection fleetwide in single-vehicle crashes.

Yet another claim is that minicars are easier to maneuver, so their drivers can avoid crashes in the first place. Insurance claims experience says otherwise. The frequency of claims filed for crash damage is higher for mini 4-door cars than for midsize ones.

Here's how the pairs of cars fared in the Institute's new crash tests:

Honda Accord versus Fit: The structure of the Accord held up well in the crash test into the Fit, and all except one measure of injury likelihood recorded on the driver dummy's head, neck, chest, and both legs were good. In contrast, a number of injury measures on the dummy in the Fit were less than good. Forces on the left lower leg and right upper leg were in the marginal range, while the measure on the right tibia was poor. These indicate a high risk of leg injury in a real-world crash of similar severity. In addition, the dummy's head struck the steering wheel through the airbag. Intrusion into the Fit's occupant compartment was extensive. Overall, this minicar's rating is poor in the front-to-front crash, despite its good crashworthiness rating based on the Institute's frontal offset test into a deformable barrier. The Accord earns good ratings for performance in both tests.

Mercedes C class versus Smart Fortwo: After striking the front of the C class, the Smart went airborne and turned around 450 degrees. This contributed to excessive movement of the dummy during rebound — a dramatic indication of the Smart's poor performance but not the only one. There was extensive intrusion into the space around the dummy from head to feet. The instrument panel moved up and toward the dummy. The steering wheel was displaced upward. Multiple measures of injury likelihood, including those on the dummy's head, were poor, as were measures on both legs.

"The Smart is the smallest car we tested, so it's not surprising that its performance looked worse than the Fit's. Still both fall into the poor category, and it's hard to distinguish between poor and poorer," Lund says. "In both the Smart and Fit, occupants would be subject to high injury risk in crashes with heavier cars." In contrast, the C class held up well, with little to no intrusion into the occupant compartment. Nearly all measures of injury likelihood were in the good range.

Toyota Camry versus Yaris: There was far more intrusion into the occupant compartment of the Yaris than the Camry. The minicar's door was largely torn away. The driver seats in both cars tipped forward, but only in the Yaris did the steering wheel move excessively. Similar contrasts characterize the measures of injury likelihood recorded on the dummies. The heads of both struck the cars' steering wheels through the airbags, but only the head injury measure on the dummy in the Yaris rated poor. There was extensive force on the neck and right leg plus a deep gash at the right knee of the dummy in the minicar. Like the Smart and Fit, the Yaris earns an overall rating of poor in the car-to-car test. The Camry is acceptable.

Last edited by jmatero; 04-13-2009 at 10:57 PM.
jmatero is offline  
 
Today


This ad will not be shown if you are logged in.

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
smart & IIHS 08 list JPaul smart General Discussion 10 11-25-2008 07:43 PM
Smart Car with less than 800 miles & Rear End Collision with BMW 5 Series BvhTaz New Members Area 14 10-03-2008 10:33 AM
IIHS and the Smart Fortwo BigWarpGuy smart General Discussion 0 06-19-2008 11:43 AM
IIHS smart head-on test on youtube anthony94114 smart General Discussion 8 04-29-2008 03:50 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:41 PM.



Smart Cars of America, LLC is not affiliated with, authorized by, associated with or have any connection with G&K, Zap, Mercedes-Benz, Mercedes-Benz AMG, Mercedes-Benz McLaren Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC, smart Canada Division, DaimlerChrysler, Chrysler LLC, DaimlerChrysler AG, Maybach, smart gmbh, a division of Mercedes Benz LLC, the manufacturer of SMART automobiles, smart USA Distributor, LLC, a division of Penske Automotive Group, Inc, the exclusive authorized U.S. importer and distributor of the smart vehicle or any of their official dealerships


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.
Ad Management by RedTyger