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Old 10-02-2011, 03:14 PM   #151 (permalink)
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...listen num-nuts...when at "crawl" speed the tranny gets more confuse than you trying to find your way out of MB's @$$...

jetfuel....jezzzzz....out of here...you can lead the a$$ to water but you can't.....

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Old 10-02-2011, 03:45 PM   #152 (permalink)
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No wonder the transmission is confused.

Its driver is unwilling to develop the skill necessary to control it!
My car does the same thing Jet talks about....come to a almost complete stop with the brakes on and it MAY or MAY NOT get out of 2nd gear instead of dropping down to 1st. That gives you pee poor acceleration across an intesection.....

How can a driver develop skills to control something that can barely control itself?
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Don't do it, don't do it....darn someone posted again!
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My car does the same thing Jet talks about....come to a almost complete stop with the brakes on and it MAY or MAY NOT get out of 2nd gear instead of dropping down to 1st. That gives you pee poor acceleration across an intesection.....
Learn to make a commitment so the car knows what gear you want. Come to a complete stop, or baby the throttle so it always chooses 2nd gear instead of dumping you into 1st.

My car will do the same thing as you and Jet complain about, but that's only if I'm not paying attention when I drive the car. And not paying attention is not the car's fault. It's the driver's.

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How can a driver develop skills to control something that can barely control itself?
It functions just fine, you obviously don't have an answer to prevent it from happening. Well I do.

How about coasting in neutral (the gear selector is actually in 'D' mode, but you can feel the trans is in neutral) until the car is at a predictable slow speed, then babying the throttle so you know the transmission will choose 2nd gear? When you punch the throttle it jerks its way into 1st gear at high rpms, and then you let go of the throttle only for it to shift back into the 2nd gear you could have already been in.

OR, because you're aggressive let it 'jerk' or dump its way back to 1st gear while you work it to redline for the aggressive upshift to 2nd gear.

The same thing happens when people are in full control over the trans as well. There's often a dilemma even in stick where the driver has to say to himself "should I dump down to 1st gear for the power or creep my way into the powerband from 2nd gear." Nothing changed in the automated manual smart trans, you just need to be in tune with your accelerator pedal and the trans computer. I'm sorry but I believe you still need practice. If you're unwilling, you are free to be unwilling to learn it. But that makes my points more valid.

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Old 10-02-2011, 04:11 PM   #155 (permalink)
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I give up...

And I thought smart naysayers were bad...

Your explanations make as much sense as:


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This guy should work for Penske smart. Where did you find this video Neon? Funny
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There are many smart drivers around the world that don't have any problems with the way it shifts. I know I don't. I also remember my very first test drive thinking "what the heck is the transmission doing?" until I had to learn what an automated manual was. It was my first time ever driving an automated manual because the technology never hit all the mainstream cars I had been driving prior to selling smarts.



I was one of those people too back in 2008! And then I learned that the automated manual is just a computer controlled stick shift that chooses gears based on vehicle speed, vehicle position (up/down hill), and engine speed/throttle pressure and I honed my skills. I'm likely better at driving it than most other people which is why I'm going to defend the transmission at all costs. I know for a fact that it works the way it was intended.

If somebody else lacks the skill driving it as well as I do, I'm going to attempt to help you get better. And if somebody says the transmission is sloppy for them when it isn't sloppy for me then I'll attempt to show them how to improve their driving.

I've witnessed people drive the smart, make one claim, only to have us switch seats for them to turn around and say "wow, you just taught me something I didn't know how to make the car do." And then they go home and practice, improve their skill, and call me a week or month later accepting the fact that they can practice and improve the performance of the car based on their desires. But the key is whether or not they are willing. If you're unwilling, it doesn't matter what techniques I try to teach or encourage... you're a lost cause. And I'm not going to let some lost cause people convince me about a reality they know nothing about due to their own ignorance.



There are aftermarket companies selling chips to boost speed and horsepower for every car on the market too. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with the performance of every car on the market. Aftermarket companies are irrelevant IMO.



You are bragging about people that you have "tutored" to learn the "proper driving Technique" to drive a Smart, taking weeks or a month to contact you stating what a revelation you gave them.....OMG !
What other modern day car requires that much thought process and practice to drive properly ???
Jay Leno could teach me how to properly drive a Stanley Steamer with less practice.
And you are talking about skills, I have owned over 130 cars, from a BMW Isetta 300 with 13 hp, to a Superformance 427 Cobra replica with 469 HP.
Other cars that I have driven includes a Tatra 603, Trabants, Scootacar, Goggomobils, Subaru 360, up to a 500hp Sprint car. And none of these cars required more than 5 minutes of drive time for me to properly operate. Yet, driving my Smart down six levels of my parking garage in drive is more than the car can figure out since i must coast around the turns and lightly accelerate in the straight...as I come out of the turns it free-wheels and cannot make up it's mind what it wants to do.... So I use the paddle shifters so the car does not have a brain Hemorrhage.

The Smart transmission works as well as Obama-care !

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You stated "There are aftermarket companies selling chips to boost speed and horsepower for every car on the market too. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with the performance of every car on the market. Aftermarket companies are irrelevant IMO."

My understanding, correct me if I am wrong, ...(oh know, did I leave him an opportunity?) is that the Sprint booster improves shifting, and has nothing to do with adding engine HP like the "chips" that you reference.
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This guy should work for Penske smart. Where did you find this video Neon? Funny
I think that the guy in the video IS Kheran (at least he makes as much sense as Kheran)
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OK, I give up. I've made all the points I can make to the best of my ability, if you choose to believe that grandma's level of skill with the smart fortwo transmission is the same as an expert's level of skill then so be it. I guess it doesn't matter how you stomp or feather the throttle, the results are always the same to you.

I personally like the transmission, I personally find the gear that I want when I want, I personally get the performance out of the car that is pretty darned good for a 3 cylinder engine. I'm happy. I don't hold the opinions I have because of the company, these are my personal opinions.

If the original engineers had trouble shifting the car, I'm sure they wouldn't have gone with its design to begin with. The hope was that the general public would learn how to use the transmission to improve performance but apparently that isn't the case with some of you.

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