If you don't have the intellectual capacity to respond to the position that I am taking without making a personal attack, then do not respond at all.
Umh..no... If you don't have anything to say about the topic, why don't you not respond at all. You're saying I shouldn't reply to you when you're acting like a 4 year old, while... acting like a 4 year old. Sorry, doesn't cut it. If you read my posts on here, you'll see I'm usually quite civil in my replies. With you, I figured maybe stooping to your level would work. (And it appears it has, since you're now asking to go private.)
I'm hopeful that this exchange has embarased you into thinking twice about posting when you have nothing to add to the conversation. I'm not holding my breath, but I'm hopeful.
As for it being a "safety feature", it's already be refuted that it's not. You can get a car without AC, you can't get a car without a structural brace (your choice, not mine). Safety features are there as required items to make the car safe. AC is not one of them, no matter how hard wish and pray that it is.
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Originally Posted by rawlus®
it will take some enterprising soul to experiment as car owners have done for decades, and actually perform a modification on the vehicle that accomplishes the desired effect. maybe they'll even release a switch, splice and simple instructions!
rawl! You're a genius! Well, ok, you inspired genius in me... same thing!
The Pure doesn't have this "feature" because it has no AC. What if we got a Pure console head from smart? Most parts are interchangeable! Could it be that simple?? Pop off the old one, pop the new one on, just like the spedo?
Anyone have a Pure in the upstate NY area I can try a swap with? ;)
So what you are saying, Woody, is that if my "response" is an insult laced tantrum, then you consider that appropriate and no need to move that to pms?
Interesting.
Well have it your way then.
I find it interesting that for you, it seems that when your basic premise is challenged, rather than respond factually, you accuse the responder with being a "jerk" or "four year-old." This indicates to me that it is far more important for you to be viewed as right rather than to demonstrate, factually, why you may be right.
I am not sure whether you are simply a juvenile or a narcissist - potentially you are both. Either way, since your basic method of discussion is to try to personally embarrass someone into accepting your rather weak premise, so be it. I was merely suggesting pm's for the personal insult portion of your diatribes so that you would no longer clutter up the boards with said insults. Being an accommodating sort of person and in a rather good mood today, I figure I would allow you to hoist yourself by your own petard.
I hope that you have a lovely day throwing your toys out of the pram whenever you don't happen to get your way.
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I find it interesting that for you, it seems that when your basic premise is challenged, rather than respond factually, you accuse the responder with being a "jerk" or "four year-old."
Premise? What permise are you talking about? We're talking about fact here. It's not a thoery that using the AC uses extra gas. And it's not a debate about weather we want the AC turning on just because the vents are pointed up. Theres no "premise", it's a fact. It's wasting gas and energy running when we don't want it, period.
I have a valid reason for being here talking about it. We're trying to find a solution to what we see as an important problem. You on the other hand, don't see this "premise" as being important. And rather than just live and let live, or add constructive discussion, you post argumentative comments, snide remarks, and belittle anyone that speaks out.
As far as the rest of the stuff you posted... great. If someone reads this thread and agrees with you, then good odds I won't want to chat with them anyway. I think most people agree with me that there are too many people here (like you) being argumentative for no real reason.
I tried using logic with you early on, and it failed. Just like it's going to again. Now that there's an idea floating, I'm going to go off and see if that works. I've wasted enough time on you.
I know I can buy a car without ABS or ESC... so these must not be safety items.
karl
Sigh.. yes.. sure.. They're also optional. That's all we asking for, the option to disable this "feature". You can disable (or not install) ABS and ESC, why not this? It's not a critical operational part of the car, like a brace or structural support. Nobody is going to get killed if the AC doesn't automatically turn on when the vents are pointed up.
Why are you debating this? What value is there to you in preventing others from changing this default behavior? How does my vent/AC selection affect you?
Sigh.. yes.. sure.. They're also optional. That's all we asking for, the option to disable this "feature". You can disable (or not install) ABS and ESC, why not this? It's not a critical operational part of the car, like a brace or structural support. Nobody is going to get killed if the AC doesn't automatically turn on when the vents are pointed up.
Why are you debating this? What value is there to you in preventing others from changing this default behavior? How does my vent/AC selection affect you?
And that is the million dollar question.
Never before have I heard others respond this way to any sort of technical question.
How would they respond to questions asked on the ih8mud forum.
Example:
I want to sling a pair of Unimog 404 axles under my new FJ Cruiser. And at the same time I would like to add a doubler to the t-case. And maybe a diesel swap is in the future. Should I run the standard Mog torque tubes or swap in a pinion conversion? Will the standard portals give me enough gearing for highway speeds?
How would you respond to this question?
Would you tell this enthusiast "Leave your truck the way Toyota built it because blah blah blah......."
Or would you realize some people just drive their FJC's and some people are actually enthusiasts.
Same here.
For the record... I am an over anal record keeper. I drive the exact same route every day to work in this smart car since 12 May... I get 40~41 MPG on tank fulls where the temp is low enough to not run the A/C... and I get 36~37 MPg when ever I run a full tank with A/C on 90~100% of the time...
I now have three local smart owners here....as we all compare experiance and notes... one constant is true ...for us.... the A/C drops MPGs about 3~4 for all of our smart cars...
Personally I do not care... it is what it is, and I accept the extra cost to be comfortable....
There are a couple of folks here who prefer to not have the compressor cycling in defrost mode because their environment is not humid and they do not need the A/C to further dry the air...... They asked a simple question and gave the conditions of their use... point is, they answered the "why" question...
The nasty and irrating "you are stupid for wanting control" inferances are really telling about some of the chartacters here.... none of these folks should be told that their reason "why" is invalid... who the hell is any one here to tell me my desire for max MPG is an irrationl desire?
Personally, I think pointing out that someone is acting like a jerk is not a personal attack... It is obvious here that in the context of the original question, and the original poster re-stating several times what the conditions were that caused him to desire the control...we have a few respondents here, who in writting their opinions, added a bunch of snide and derisive crap that made me think "what a Jerk" too.
For the record... I am an over anal record keeper. I drive the exact same route every day to work in this smart car since 12 May... I get 40~41 MPG on tank fulls where the temp is low enough to not run the A/C... and I get 36~37 MPg when ever I run a full tank with A/C on 90~100% of the time...
I now have three local smart owners here....as we all compare experiance and notes... one constant is true ...for us.... the A/C drops MPGs about 3~4 for all of our smart cars...
One thing to point out to those concerned about fuel economy and the defrost mode -
(gee, I wonder if this has even been pointed out at all in the 11 pages of responses here...but I won't bother to check!)
How long (or more appropriately - how short!) do you usually keep the air control in defrost mode anyway? Typically for winter time defrosting (via heat), most of us usually just use it during warm up, correct? Then the setting is adjusted for cabin comfort. (and it remains to been seen in winter time if the one notch to the left or right setting can handle thermal defrosting). In warmer weather, defrosting is not whats required, but its defogging - and 9 times out of 10 - this usually does work better via cold air - ie, using the A/C. Again, most of us won't keep the setting in full defrost mode after the job is done.
So what are we talking here, maybe a 10% "duty cycle" in defrost mode? That takes the 3 -4 mpg hit on down to 0.3 - 0.4 mpg.... certainly less then 1mpg for forcing the A/C upon us.
like Fred said "I can accept the extra cost...."
Last edited by SmartCard; 08-08-2008 at 11:54 AM.
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One thing to point out to those concerned about fuel economy and the defrost mode -
(gee, I wonder if this has even been pointed out at all in the 11 pages of responses here...but I won't bother to check!)
How long (or more appropriately - how short!) do you usually keep the air control in defrost mode anyway? Typically for winter time defrosting (via heat), most of us usually just use it during warm up, correct? Then the setting is adjusted for cabin comfort. (and it remains to been seen in winter time if the one notch to the left or right setting can handle thermal defrosting). In warmer weather, defrosting is not whats required, but its defogging - and 9 times out of 10 - this usually does work better via cold air - ie, using the A/C. Again, most of us won't keep the setting in full defrost mode after the job is done.
So what are we talking here, maybe a 10% "duty cycle" in defrost mode? That takes the 3 -4 mpg hit on down to 0.3 - 0.4 mpg.... certainly less then 1mpg for forcing the A/C upon us.
like Fred said "I can accept the extra cost...."
Typically I will keep it on full defrost from the middle of September to the end of May.
Much nicer to have air moving from the windshield back in my climate. Even after I can see through the windshield. It can be -35 for weeks or months where I live so full defrost is usually what you do. At these temps the compressor won't run anyway.
Its the September/October-April/May I would like to keep it there.
However I may select floor heat now and then.
Last edited by saskdiesel; 08-08-2008 at 02:27 PM.
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