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View Poll Results: electric-auto manual, or manual with clutch pedal, your favorite?
electric-automated 5 sp manual, (no additional clutch pedal) 47 55.95%
standard 5 sp manual, (with additional clutch pedal) 37 44.05%
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:31 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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I test drove a Fourtwo with automated manual in Lake Oswego, OR. If it is the same the the ones coming over, it is way too herky-jerky.

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Old 11-18-2007, 03:37 PM   #22 (permalink)
 
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Did you drive a 450 or a 451?

The USA model 451 I drove yesterday lost almost all of that bunny hop motion. I was very impressed. When you floor it, however, it down shifts and feels like a clutch. Then VOOM!

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Old 11-18-2007, 03:40 PM   #23 (permalink)
 
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...deleted clutch plate wear rant...
is this why the company is worried about not giving a longer than 2 year warranty?
1. You assume a clutch plate same as a manual. Not so, check the cutaway.
2. Stated reason for 2 year warranty was to keep the initial price down and allow for options to upgrade if wanted. Seems like you should extend the warranty if you need the peace of mind. I'll keep the cash, thank you.
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Old 11-18-2007, 06:16 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Did you drive a 450 or a 451?

The USA model 451 I drove yesterday lost almost all of that bunny hop motion. I was very impressed. When you floor it, however, it down shifts and feels like a clutch. Then VOOM!
That was exactly what I was saying after my test drive at the Smart House last Saturday--just jump on the pedal and the little bugger moves forward without any problems
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:01 PM   #25 (permalink)
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1. You assume a clutch plate same as a manual. Not so, check the cutaway.
2. Stated reason for 2 year warranty was to keep the initial price down and allow for options to upgrade if wanted. Seems like you should extend the warranty if you need the peace of mind. I'll keep the cash, thank you.
it may or may not be a clutch plate, but it may not be exactly like the cutaway.

if it was exactly like the cutaway, why wouldn't the smart be shifting lightening fast like race cars, like they say the cutaway does, instead of near dead, slow, like the smart did at the july event?

if the company was afraid of too many 3rd year breakdowns, i doubt if they would be that up front and honest about it, and say that. unless they wanted to 'poof gone' 80% of orders.

but if they were confident of few if any 3rd year break downs, an industry typical 3yr 36,000 mile warranty would be no sweat, and maybe even impress customers of their reliability confidence, with an even longer warranty.


i mean, regardless of what the real reason for shortening the warranty to only 2 years,

its waving a red flag into customers faces, to make customers significantly concerned on product reliability, especially with an all new, no one has experience fixing, overseas built, usa vehicle.

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Old 11-18-2007, 07:07 PM   #26 (permalink)
 
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...if it was exactly like the cutaway, why wouldn't the smart be shifting lightening fast like race cars, like they say the cutaway does, instead of near dead, slow, like the smart did at the july event?
You should reserve your comments about the transmission until you drive a US spec car, as I did yesterday. Shifting has been improved tremendously, shift points adjusted. Double taps shift two gears, pedal to the floor down shifts.

As to the warranty, I will take Penske's word that they wanted to keep entry level price down. If you are concerned about going through your clutch in year three, either pay for the repair, or pay for the extra warranty at delivery.
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Y If you are concerned about going through your clutch in year three, either pay for the repair, or pay for the extra warranty at delivery.
or cancel the order.

if its fails in under three years, it will repeat the same over and over, for the life of the vehicle.

not to mention, other vulnerabilities to be discovered.

this is not a simple issue. it goes to the core of the vehicle.
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or cancel the order.

if its fails in under three years, it will repeat the same over and over, for the life of the vehicle.

not to mention, other vulnerabilities to be discovered.

this is not a simple issue. it goes to the core of the vehicle.
As the system is essentially the same as the 450 how about researching it on the UK and Canada boards and let us know what you find
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As the system is essentially the same as the 450 how about researching it on the UK and Canada boards and let us know what you find
your idea, you research.

different car, different size, different transmission, different engine, etc, etc.

relevance?

?

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your idea, you research.

different car, different size, different transmission, different engine, etc, etc.

relevance?

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You are going to worry yourself into an early grave...

Why don't you take responsibility and research for your ownself rather than relying on everyone else to do your dirty work? (i.e. car interior color, top security, engine reliability, transmission reliablility, etc.)
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