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Old 03-22-2008, 07:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How do you park you car on the street?

After reading a recent article I think its important that we team together for changes that can help us all when it comes to parking. As of right now I don't know if its legal for smarts to park perpendicular in otherwise parrallel spots but I think it should be.

Check out this article for a little more knowledge:


Tiny cars may force cities to rethink parking


Michael Cabanatuan, Chronicle Staff Writer

Smart cars, the teeny tiny two-passenger vehicles that have long attracted the attention of Americans visiting Europe, are starting to show up on the streets of the Bay Area, where they're likely to smash head-on into parking regulations designed for larger cars.
Just 8-feet, 8-inches long - about 3 feet shorter than the Mini Cooper - Smart cars can squeeze into just about any parking space. That's sure to make them a hit in San Francisco. But whether they can wedge themselves into a system of parking laws designed for much larger vehicles is going to be the bigger challenge.
In Europe, where more than 800,000 of the little cars have sold in the past decade, drivers often park perpendicularly - with their noses or tails to the curb - between parallel-parked larger cars. But in California, that violates a state law that requires cars to have their right tires within 18 inches of the curb unless parked on the left side of a one-way street, in which case the rule applies to their left-side tires.
Smart cars, manufactured by Mercedes and originally designed by Swatch, are marketed with the idea that they can be parked anywhere. But that's not yet the case. Smart, which started taking orders last year, started releasing cars to customers in late January. According to Ash Zaki, a Smart representative in San Francisco, about 100 will be delivered by the end of May, but "you should start to see a lot more of them over the next few months."
A full-scale invasion of the pint-sized cars will force cities and counties, which set most parking laws in California, to rethink those policies, said Matt Nichol, a transportation planner in Berkeley.
"If these things sell in any kind of reasonable numbers, we're going to have to deal with it," he said.
Nichol said that while Berkeley has created smaller parking places in some areas for small electric vehicles, it has not yet contemplated how to handle Smart cars and other ultra-compact cars in development.
Likewise, San Francisco has not yet developed any special policies for micro-cars.
That means that while Smart cars cannot park perpendicularly on city streets, they can park two to a marked space as long as they both fit within the lines and allow room for each other to maneuver, said Kristen Holland, spokeswoman for San Francisco's Municipal Transportation Agency. The same goes for metered spots - as long as someone pays the meter. And if it expires, she said, both cars can be ticketed. The same law applies to motorcycles.
Smart USA spokesman Ken Kettenbeil said the company has just started talking with some East Coast cities about Smart-friendly parking policies. He declined to name the specific cities.
"It's going to be a lot of work because each city has its own policies," he said, "but we've started."
Joseph Alioto Jr., an attorney and candidate for San Francisco supervisor, is one of the city's first Smart car owners. He said he'd love to be able to legally park with the nose or tail to the curb, and said he would, if elected, back an ordinance making that possible. But until then, Alioto said, he's still able to pull into just about any parking place - even between driveways in crowded neighborhoods.
"Parking is probably the funnest part of the car," he said. "My wife wants to put together a photo album of the tight parking spots we've been able to squeeze into."



Full article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../BA2CVNEHD.DTL

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I park perpendicular and am proud to do so. We are already fighting one such ticket in San Jose and hope to use this as a platform for re-thinking the rule that says that a cars wheels have to be within 18" from the curb.

The Fortwo is designed to be parked perpendicular and any law that doesn't allow it needs to be reconsidered. Urban areas suffer from congestion and lack of available parking. Our cars are part of the solution, not part of the problem.

Why take up more space than you need parking parallel when you can maximize available space by parking the way the car was designed to be parked - perpendicular? In addition, urban planners and legislatures should be encouraging the use of small, efficient, and ultra low emissions cars like ours. Sure, my wife and I could just as easily drive our 10 MPG Land Rover into SF and take up every last inch of a normal parking space, but why not encourage us to take the Smart instead by providing the incentive of perpendicular parking?

Think about it - everyone wins. We get to park in those space between driveways that would otherwise be unusable by other cars, SF benefits because we left a parking space open to residents, and everyone benefits because we drove the smallest, most efficient car possible into the city.

Not to mention, the car was designed to be parked in this way:

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http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/sma...f_america.html

"Smart Car makes parallel parking obsolete - no more craning your neck to wedge your way into a parking spot that’s just too tight to fit your car.Now, you can simply perpendicular park and walk away."

Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_fortwo

"As free parking spots are hard to find in many European cities, official parking is expensive, and illegally parked cars are fined, immobilized or towed, the original idea behind the very short "smart car" is that the vehicle may be parked back-in in parallel parking zones. Its length of 250 cm (98.4 in) equals the width of a truck or a regular parking slot, allowing two or three Smarts to park in the same space as one normal car if parked side-on to the usual parking direction."

Edmunds:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=124870

"Thanks to the Smart, finding a place to park went from being a necessary evil to a unique challenge. We parked the Fortwo perpendicular to the curb in areas where curb-parallel parking was the norm without impeding traffic. Enforcement agents drove by and smiled."

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Let us know if the judge in traffic court throws out the San Jose law.
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Let us know if the judge in traffic court throws out the San Jose law.
Throws out the law? Are you serious?

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Let us know if the judge in traffic court throws out the San Jose law.
It's not a San Jose law - it's a California law. Take a look in the California Vehicle Code -section 22502:

22502. (a) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter every vehicle stopped or parked upon a roadway where there are adjacent curbs shall be stopped or parked with the right-hand wheels of such vehicle parallel with and within 18 inches of the right-hand curb, except that motorcycles shall be parked with at least one wheel or fender touching the right-hand curb. Where no curbs or barriers bound any roadway, right-hand parallel parking is required unless otherwise indicated.

So, unless you're a motorcycle then your right-hand wheels must both be within 18" of the right-hand curb. That's how they get to ticket people who like to park facing the wrong way...
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Throws out the law? Are you serious?

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I'm seriously doubtful that h's going to win his case.

I will continue to park my car legally. Sharing spaces (two cars, one meter) is legal (found a share this evening in fact).
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I'm on your side, but just becasue the car was designed to do so doesn't make it legal! A car can be designed to go 400mph, that doesn't make it legal. I've been wondering about the laws here in FL when/if I get a SMART...
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does the smart fit in motorcycle spots? i bet it takes up 3 or 4 motorcycle spots if it does. the problem is that there aren't meters specifically for the smart. current spaces are either too big or too small (motorcycles). i will say that the smart would work great in SF's sunset district, where there are tiny spots squeezed in between driveways... perfect application - no meters.
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I'm on your side, but just because the car was designed to do so doesn't make it legal! A car can be designed to go 400mph, that doesn't make it legal. I've been wondering about the laws here in FL when/if I get a SMART...
I'm fully aware that under the laws in most states as currently written, it is likely not legal.

I'd like to see the laws not enforced where it doesn't make sense to do so - this is where judges (including traffic court magistrates) can exercise discretion in electing when and how it is appropriate to apply the law. Longer term, if the Smart brand is a success in the U.S., and there is some general awareness around this issue as it pertains to easing congestion in urban areas, perhaps we'll see the laws themselves revisited if it turns out that the greater public good is served by encouraging the adoption of micro cars like the ForTwo.

There is an obvious reason this story was picked up by SFGate. San Francisco has long faced a vicious parking crunch, magnified by the unique landscape of the city (in which many cars already legally park perpendicular to the curb in areas with steep hills). As these kinds of issues continue to get mainstream media attention we'll see how much longer these laws continue to remain in place.

My $0.02

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