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Old 06-19-2008, 03:50 PM   #111 (permalink)
 
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Another Gov't program?

Surely you jest~!
And let me guess, you want it to be administered by FEMA?
No - well, let me guess - the IRS?
No - then we'll just have to create another neverending bureaucracy (is that spelled right?) that some know-nothing Guru will administer and it'll turn into another ball of worms - like most Gov't programs.
You might as well hand out hard cash and tell the recipients that it's for gas only. Be a lot cheaper and easier in the long run.

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Did you even read what I wrote?

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Surely you jest~!
And let me guess, you want it to be administered by FEMA?
No - well, let me guess - the IRS?
No - then we'll just have to create another neverending bureaucracy (is that spelled right?) that some know-nothing Guru will administer and it'll turn into another ball of worms - like most Gov't programs.
You might as well hand out hard cash and tell the recipients that it's for gas only. Be a lot cheaper and easier in the long run.
Let me guess. Your radio is tuned to Rush Limbaugh.
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Old 06-19-2008, 04:18 PM   #113 (permalink)
 
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Gas tax is raised to $4.00/gal. Guess what? Gas is still cheaper than London. There are about 500 gallons of gasoline used each year for every man, woman and child in the US. Many of those are children, of course, so per adult, the use is higher. We give each 16 year old or older citizen ration coupons or a mag-strip card that allows them to buy 400 gallons per year tax free
Great! Someone in Washington then gets to decree what the "standard" gasoline usage should be for every citizen! And it is decided that the "correct" ration card (for the little people) is 400 gallons/year. Would "important people" on "vital roles" somehow get "extra rations"? Any Russian over 35 would feel right at home as in the good old Soviet days!

Kids would now learn about Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of 400 gallons.

Surely we need another great, efficiently run big gubm't program, just like the TSA jokers, the FEMA geniuses, or the CIA "weapons of mass destructions" sleuths? 'Cause the govm't is always right!
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Do you have a credit or debit card? Why? Someone might hack it! I guess you must be totally cash, right?
Of course not, but my ATM is limited to only $200 a day max and my credit cards are covered by fraud insurance as well as the issuers fraud departments. Your gas card has a $2000 limit at $5 a gallon and cannot have a daily limit if it was to be useful. If someone filled their boat and truck at the station for a weekends outing one can easily use 300 gallons or more. Thus your copied card could be drained in a day and then where are you? Back to pleading with a federal bureaucrat for a refill of another 400 gallons?

BTW I listen to Air America, not "comedian Rush Limbaugh"
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No - then we'll just have to create another neverending bureaucracy (is that spelled right?) that some know-nothing Guru will administer and it'll turn into another ball of worms - like most Gov't programs.
You mean like Social Security? That seems to be working out just fine, same with Medicare. Ask your Grandpa what it was like to get old in the "good old days", then ask if he wants to do away with his Medicare.....
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Have you seen this ARCO ATM fraud? "San Jose police: 175 Arco customers lost $195,000 in ATM scam"

ARCO stations only take cash or ATM, no credit, so it was the best choice to steal account numbers and PINs. The risk may not be worth the small savings, and paying for gas is a pain.
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Great! Someone in Washington then gets to decree what the "standard" gasoline usage should be for every citizen! And it is decided that the "correct" ration card (for the little people) is 400 gallons/year. Would "important people" on "vital roles" somehow get "extra rations"? Any Russian over 35 would feel right at home as in the good old Soviet days!

Kids would now learn about Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of 400 gallons.

Surely we need another great, efficiently run big gubm't program, just like the TSA jokers, the FEMA geniuses, or the CIA "weapons of mass destructions" sleuths? 'Cause the govm't is always right!

Maybe if I extract some salient points from my wordy posts, you will get a clearer view of the picture:

- Nothing in my proposal is preventing anyone from buying thousands of gallons of fuel, if that is what they want. If you go over 400 gallons, you pay market price.
- $4.00 in tax is less than many European countries. The money would be used to repair our dilapidated infrastructure (perhaps you've read about the 72,000 bridges in the US that are dangerously deficient. Seventy-two thousand.) It would also be used to fund mass transit systems, which we are going to have to do sooner or later anyway.

Perhaps you never studied WWII. Gasoline was rationed to 3 gallons a week, and the national speed limit was 35 mph. Private use of vehicles was severely curtailed. This was not a big deal, because we still had mass transit that had been built prior to the auto age. And, we had an economy and a society that was based on local travel. To live somewhere that you could not get to work without a car was virtually unheard of. You either walked to work, or took public transit, or you had a horse. Yes, there were people still using horses and mules during WWII. My father's family was one. What is the point? The point is that the day OPEC decides to embargo us again, we will be LUCKY to get 3 gallons a week. Once critical needs like the military, agriculture, public transit and cargo are accommodated, loss of the oil we get from OPEC would be likely to leave LESS than 3 gallons of gasoline a week for the general population. If we don't have some kind of mass transit in place, our society and economy will come to a screeching halt. It is much harder to build this infrastructure without adequate supplies of oil. Trust me, if there is a choice between you driving to work or giving the fuel to someone building rail, you are not going to get the fuel.

Oil is a non-renewable, finite natural resource. Eventually, there WILL be restrictions on how much you can use. At one time in this country, there were no restrictions on hunting. You could go out into the woods, on your own private property, and kill whatever game you wanted. After the extinction and near extinction of several species formerly thought to be infinite in number, restrictions were placed on hunting. These restrictions were vehemently opposed, but for the common good, they were implemented.

Oil is facing extinction. The difference is that once it is gone, it is gone. There is no captive breeding program for oil. Our current virtually unlimited and unfettered use of oil will someday be looked upon with the same astonishment we now feel for the mass slaughter of the buffalo and passenger pigeon. Where was our forefather's restraint? Why didn't someone intervene?

Get ready. The intervention is coming.
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In CA we pay a large amount of tax to go to our highways. However, our current and former governors raided the funds and now our freeways, highways, bridges and other state infrastructures are in horrible shape. Every time someone brings up the issue to prevent raiding the account, it gets voted down. They are now raiding the Lottery Funds which were supposed to go to the school systems. You just can't trust any politician...
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Lived in CA for over 3 years...hated the "special" gas and the "special' Taxes...never saw a "special" politician though. They were all equally worthless with a few exceptions...Gray Davis, Nancy Pelosi, Barb Boxer, and couple of others whose names I can't think of at the moment. These particular ones were outstandingly worthless!!! Seems they did everything they could to bankrupt the state! State motto should be: The Golden Bear state...run by brass plated idiots!
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Whew.... How about them Bears?!?!
Da Bears....

Getting a little serious in here isn't it? Can anyone tell me where the smart car forum is?
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