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Old 06-18-2008, 03:03 PM   #91 (permalink)
 
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Those pictures are truly a testament of how amazing the little car is. Glad you're doing okay. Thanks for posting pictures so we could see.

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Old 06-18-2008, 03:23 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Rims are designed to crush and absorb impact-part of the overall safety system.
Wow, that decides it then. I was thinking of putting customs on but I think I'm going to keep the stocks after seeing these photos and realizing that the wheels are part of the energy-absorbing system!
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I keep hearing about people putting rear wheels on the front and I can't help but wonder why they think they know more than all the Daimler engineers that decided a smaller tire was a better compromise.

That said it is the same in every web forum that I am a member of whether they talk about cars, bikes or just about anything else. It seems to be part of the enthusiast's make up that however good a vehicle is, it can always be a little bit better with different exhaust, tires, wheels, oil etc.
... and in many cases it can.... depending on how you define "better."

My $0.02 - not on this specific wheel issue, but on "modding" generally.

As an example, a car can be made to handle with more confidence at the expense of some ride harshness. An enthusiast, might choose to compromise more on ride quality over comfort - especially if the car in question is a second or third car, whereas a commuter with just one all-purpose vehicle that they use day in and day out might put a higher value on comfort. Cars, like most consumer goods, are heavily impacted by market research and focus groups prior to release. What pleases the majority and ensures the highest volume sales, may not suit your personal preference - hence the appeal of fine-tuning cars with you, the end-user's, own expectations in mind.

This may surprise some, but you can actually make a car both handle better and be more comfortable to drive. Ohlins, for example, makes a remote reservoir coilover suspension that has no trade-offs in ride quality while dramatically improving handling. But there is a price associated with this upgrade, and many consumers would not want to pay another $500 in the sticker price of a car, let along the $6,000 it would cost equip a car from the factory with a set of Ohlins.

Our Smarts were definitely engineered to a price point. Everything from the drum brakes in the rear to the three lug wheels points to hitting a dollar target more than engineering to the highest possible standard. While they have done a good job of hiding some of this economizing, just because the Mercedes built it a certain way, don't assume that the car was an unadulterated exercise in engineering in its purest form - without accountants and focus having a significant part in the decision.

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Wow, that decides it then. I was thinking of putting customs on but I think I'm going to keep the stocks after seeing these photos and realizing that the wheels are part of the energy-absorbing system!
I may have misunderstood the energy absorbing features of the wheel, but I believe that ANY wheel would have done the same. If you put on a steel wheel, it would stick out (given that you have the right spacers). When the wheel sticks out, that means, it gets hit first before the side panels and thus would create it's own 'crumple' zone.

I don't think that the 'stock' wheel has anything special built in to make it safer or each one would be very expensive.

It's just the way it sticks out. I think if you went with an after market wheel, you would have seen the same results.
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I may have misunderstood the energy absorbing features of the wheel, but I believe that ANY wheel would have done the same. If you put on a steel wheel, it would stick out (given that you have the right spacers). When the wheel sticks out, that means, it gets hit first before the side panels and thus would create it's own 'crumple' zone.

I don't think that the 'stock' wheel has anything special built in to make it safer or each one would be very expensive.

It's just the way it sticks out. I think if you went with an after market wheel, you would have seen the same results.
It's not that the wheel has anything special built in but that it might be designed to give way at the spokes in a predictable way to help absorb the energy. The car is so short the wheels play a part as the crumple zone working with the stiff tridion, which is different then most other cars. Not all wheels act that way as far as I know, I've seen OEM BMW wheels fail, crack and deform, unevenly not cleanly at the spokes like this appears to have.

I don't know for certain that it is engineered like that, again I only speculated because it has been mentioned that the wheels play a part in the safety system approved for the cars here (and that is why the dealers, like our local one who had a different OEM set avail in Europe, were not allowed to sell any other Smart wheels they had and had to keep them for display only).

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Yep. I do remember when I was buying mine I mentioned the possibility of putting customs on. The dealer almost sounded like a disclaimer saying to keep in mind that the wheels are designed into the safety system of the car, and modifying this might compromise the system. I wonder what Smart's official word is
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The driver survived as a result of good German engineering plus the BiG Guy upstair wanted him to accomplish more with his life, bottom line is it was not his turn to go.
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The driver survived as a result of good German engineering plus the BiG Guy upstair wanted him to accomplish more with his life, bottom line is it was not his turn to go.



AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yep. I do remember when I was buying mine I mentioned the possibility of putting customs on. The dealer almost sounded like a disclaimer saying to keep in mind that the wheels are designed into the safety system of the car, and modifying this might compromise the system. I wonder what Smart's official word is
Yes. I would imagine that they would have to say that. They don't want someone to buy custom rims, have the wrong spacers, and have it flushed against the wheel well along with the tires. Now that would compromise safety.

But if you did your homework and buy wheels/tires that would have the same overall diameter and sticks out the same distance, I can't imagine why it wouldn't work.

Smart wheels are just normal alloy wheels. They just happen to stick out and serve a function.
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The driver survived as a result of good German engineering plus the BiG Guy upstair wanted him to accomplish more with his life, bottom line is it was not his turn to go.
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