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Old 01-24-2009, 08:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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...yep...I know 'cause I asked...I lost my heat, finished 3rd...
...including one that had a performance exhaust, he lost his heat, Madame Sinner won her heat with two people in her car....the winner of it all was a skinny kid, maybe 130# soaking wet...

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Yea, it's that "weight to power ratio" thing

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Old 01-24-2009, 08:54 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Just picked mine up today and have spent most of the day driving around hopping on the freeway, going through city and hopping on expressways. I found myself waiting in cars in front of me. I love driving this thing!
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...yep...I know 'cause I asked...I lost my heat, finished 3rd...
...including one that had a performance exhaust, he lost his heat, Madame Sinner won her heat with two people in her car....the winner of it all was a skinny kid, maybe 130# soaking wet...

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I guess that answers the question, "can a human outshift the computer" - answer being, not really, no.

I want to see a Smart race. That's got to be hilarious for a first time observer. In fact, I've only seen one Smart driving, would you believe that? And it was a friend... he turned out of the restaurant driveway and I swear that little thing was bookin'.
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I guess that answers the question, "can a human outshift the computer" - answer being, not really, no.

I want to see a Smart race. That's got to be hilarious for a first time observer. In fact, I've only seen one Smart driving, would you believe that? And it was a friend... he turned out of the restaurant driveway and I swear that little thing was bookin'.
I asked a friend to a sailboat race many years ago and she got there after the start. When we finished I went and talked to her...she asked when the race was going to start
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I want to see a Smart race.
...it's a blast...





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sorry there is no way a stock 451 non turbo can do 0-100km/h or 62mph in 12.8 seconds

i have done the testing and have the full data

an aussie spec non turbo 451 did 14.407 and 14.150 respectively this though was on a warm 28deg day fat driver and full tank, manual/auto shifting did not alter the acceleration figure, in a direct comparison a stock turbo with a/c on under the exact same conditions did it in 10.430 i will also mention a partillay remapped turbo will do it in 9.6-9.8sec

i have an exhaust to fit to my turbo when it gets back from the shop in a weeks time then tweak the remap and without trans reprogramming im condident it will do 8.9sec 0-100 in ideal conditions

1/4 mile time i have achieved are 19.184 19.094 std NON turbo and 17.168 17.370 STD turbo and lastly 16.706 and 16.650 mildly remapped turbo!


just to note that as an average the smart regardless of model can take anywhere up to 1.4 seconds to actually complete the gearshift process thats from power off to power on, and my testing has ound that manual/auto shifts length do not differ, but it is of benefit to shift manually earlier than the automatic shift that the car decides to make, yet over the 1/4 mile manual vs auto in the 10 or so runs i have made there is only a few tenths in it...

so a smart with a dsg type gearbox has the potential to be atleast 2-2.5 seconds quicker than it is now 0-100km/h and thas a big difference!!


just a side note i tested a n/a cabrio we have a higher compression motor here and i believe that would offset the 20kg difference in weight to a coupe you have over there...

obviously different driver different day different cars and the outcome would vary but these are the times i have achieved in my testing and whilst the 0-100km/h times are higher than whats is claimed and what ppl think they are achieving the 1/4 mile run of the non turbo i tested is quicker than that of the non turbo posted on youtube by 2 tenths

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i tested a n/a cabrio we have a higher compression motor here and i believe that would offset the 20kg difference in weight to a coupe you have over there...
...a totally stock motor with 10.0:1 c/p taken to 11.0:1c/p will probably net you 2.7hp ...

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I'm a recent waiting list addition, and both research, and studying the forums here have taught me a lot. Although I've both ridden in, and driven a couple of smarts, one question still remains. I've seen you tube videos of people zooming up freeway on ramps, and merging into traffic with no difficulty. My problem is my work commute is 95% freeway. That part doesn't concern me, but what does is that I live in a city (Denver) that uses flow control lights at the bottom of their freeway on ramps. This means during rush hour you only get the merge lane to go from a standing start to blending into fast, heavy traffic. Salesman are nice, but I'm not the type to push a friends car, or even a dealer demo hard enough to get my answer. You guys really deal with the daily demands of traffic. I'm assuming using the paddles will get the little lady up to speed more quickly, but otherwise, how does she really do out there?
we have metering lights-on here in the bay area during rush hour and i have no problems merging onto the highway. then again, it is also rush hour traffic. even with a dead stop, there should be plenty of lane to get the smart to a speed relative to other cars already in the first lane.
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Thanks to everyone for all the input. I leave for work at 6:30 in the morning which has the flow control lights turned on, with pretty heavy traffic flow, but they're still going 60-70 M.P.H. (That's on a 55 mile per hour road by the way, pretty normal around here) I'm not worried about the size of the car, since during the warm weather I make the commute on my Harley-Davidson, so once I'm up to speed I'm not concerned in the least about mixing it up with Ford Expeditions, 18 wheelers, etc.

My two co-workers who own smarts are seeing the same break-in results as I read here. Neither car has reached 1000 on the odometer yet, but both guys say the car is really beginning to "wake up." Neither one uses the freeway during their rush hour commute which is why I asked you guys.

By the way, my 2008 Harley with 1560 cc's and a 6 speed overdrive averages 45 M.P.G. in this commute. Kinda funny to think my CAR might do better!
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A question for jetfixer737, you said you were from Denver, so you are quite high altitude, that is why you have mile high stadium, so do you find with cars, bikes etc that you have less performance than stated in official figures having rarer air.
Sorry if everybody knows the answer and is going duh, but being from britain, we have no high altitudes, so was just curious as if you have a drop in performance, the little smart engine could struggle at altitude, and it could be a lot slower than figures suggest.
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