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Old 07-15-2008, 06:29 PM   4 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1 (permalink)
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Should smartusa 'adopt' an orphan policy?

just my opinion (and we all know what an 'opinion' is like.....) but i believe it's way past time for smartusa to make some policies regarding orphans, both in the reservation process and at the smart center level.

first, i believe that each reservation holder, once they are invited to configure and CONFIRM, they be required to place a $500 NON-REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT and be 'pre-approved' for a loan. should they be a 'cash customer' (you're either paying cash OR you will provide your own financing) you can so state that you do NOT care to be 'pre-approved' but instead be required to place $1,000.00 NON-REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT in lieu of pre-approval. this would take many profiteers out of the mix and allow only those who want smarts for themselves to get one. sure, there'll be some that will still go through the process, but not NEAR as many as there are now.

second, should a smart be 'orphaned', smart centers would be REQUIRED to follow protocol and contact those who have placed themselves on an 'orphan list' to offer the orphan. they would go down their list until they get someone that says "yes, we'll take it!". now what the smart centers DO with that orphan prior to that call, as far as accessories, add ons, etc....that would be entirely up to each center. sorry, it's THEIR car...they can do with it as they please. i don't like it, but the fact is they're in business to make $$ and need to turn a few extra bucks whenever possible.

and third, but not last.....ANYONE who purchases an orphan would be required to give up their reserved smart. this would also keep many from getting smarts 'just to hold them over' for a few months until their car arrives, at which time they sell the orphan on eBay, autotrader.com or whatever and for, in many cases, more than MSRP. it would also allow more people, for example, who may truly want a Cabriolet, lets say, GET ONE rather than someone else that is only taking it because they simply have to have a smart NOW!

it's time that smartusa set some policies, which in turn would, i believe, lessen the wait time for a smart car for everyone. with the current wait time at 22 MONTHS, many people may just pass and go buy a Honda or Toyota and they will never get to enjoy smart ownership.

it's time we as smart reservation holders and current owners start being less greedy and start taking others into consideration. simply put, if you WANT 2 smart cars, RESERVE 2 smart cars. should something come in via the orphan route, then by all means take it, but pass your ordered smart on for someone else to enjoy.

ok, got that off my chest.......now i'm running for cover
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Old 07-15-2008, 06:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I reserved in March, 2007 on the first day that you could. While I can appreciate the long wait at this juncture, I think the system works great! In fact why would a company with a current 22 month wait want to force folks to put in any kinda of an advanced deposit when they configure? Furthermore, why punish those with CASH requiring a larger down payment?

Seems like the system is working perfect.

They're pumping out cars as quickly as they can and the US is getting some percent of those. Seems like the system they have now is generating an incredible amount of excitement and anticipation - they need to keep the momentum going. I say that the world is to full of instant gratification. Be patient - Good things come to those that wait.
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I reserved in March, 2007 on the first day that you could. While I can appreciate the long wait at this juncture, I think the system works great! In fact why would a company with a current 22 month wait want to force folks to put in any kinda of an advanced deposit when they configure? Furthermore, why punish those with CASH requiring a larger down payment?

Seems like the system is working perfect.

They're pumping out cars as quickly as they can and the US is getting some percent of those. Seems like the system they have now is generating an incredible amount of excitement and anticipation - they need to keep the momentum going. I say that the world is to full of instant gratification. Be patient - Good things come to those that wait.

I agree. Their current system is building up the excitement and not flooding the market all at once.

If someone has a reserved smart AND wants an orphan, why can't they buy one? The dealer doesn't care as long as it gets sold.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I paid a premium to get a smart even though it's not exactly what I wanted. I do have a car a year earlier than I normally would have. I think it's ridiculous to tell people they can no longer get the car they wanted and have been waiting for simply because they already own a smart. I think your dealer bias is showing. What really should have happened is when a car is orphaned they go to the next person on the list who configured a car like it and sell it to them. That would be the most fair, but it wouldn't allow the dealers to capitalize on the demand for the car. I would compare the way things are now to a sports franchise that has pre-sold season tickets. If someone decided they didn't want their tickets, they should be passed on to the next person on the list who wants that section, not have the franchise add seat cushions, parking passes, beer holders and whatever else they can to charge inflated prices and offer them up to whover is willing to pay the price. And yes, I was one of those willing to pay the price, but it isn't the most fair system.

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I just think the orphans should be done the right way. Have a list sent to the dealers of everyone that has ordered one, and the ones that have the longest time waited come first on the list thats the only fair way.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Bravo Jeepster55

Bravo Jeepster! I hope you do not mind if I reference your comments here at Should Penske Have an Orphan Policy for All Dealers? - smart USA insider

As long as the sold orphan does not satisfy another reservation the reservation holder waits longer.

Lets do some math. Assume a 6% orphaned vehicle rate and an 18 month wait. If the orphans were sold to reservation holders in lieu of their reservation, we would get our cars ONE MONTH EARLIER.

When there are reservation holders waiting 22 months, for the dealer to sell cars that do not satisfy the buyers reservation for profit beyond the Penske reservation system arrangement, it is just trading profit for customer care.

Lets talk human nature.... When a dealer makes more money selling an orphan than a reserved vehicle, who do you think is the preferred customer? Isn't the purpose of making a reservation to be the preferred customer?

Please share your view so eloquently stated at Should Penske Have an Orphan Policy for All Dealers? - smart USA insider too Jeepster55

You state a well thought out opinion that takes all parties interests into consideration.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:36 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I just think the orphans should be done the right way. Have a list sent to the dealers of everyone that has ordered one, and the ones that have the longest time waited come first on the list thats the only fair way.
Yeah, what he said.
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You know how to TAKE the reservation, you just don't know how to HOLD the reservation.

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i knew i would take some slack for this and i respect each and every one of your opinions. not sure where you get my 'dealer bias is showing'. I'M FOR THE CUSTOMER! after all, i AM a customer. i'm just trying to find a more fair way for everyone to be treated, and that includes the smart centers.

but you should know that i have made a commitment to my 'reserved' smart and asked SCI to REMOVE ME FROM THEIR ORPHAN LIST. i did that in hopes that someone else will be able to get the car of their dreams earlier.......and KEEP IT!

i DO plan on ordering another smart this next month, for the wife. we are hoping that by the time THAT one is configured, we will have the 'ev' model available.

as for now, i'm going to WAIT MY TURN IN LINE and with any luck, be taking delivery of MY smart on my birthday NEXT YEAR!
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You know how to TAKE the reservation, you just don't know how to HOLD the reservation.

YouTube - Jerry Seinfeld rents a car [Seinfeld S3E11]
i LOVED that 'quote' from Jerry.......
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