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Old 10-27-2009, 09:07 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't know about your US 451, but my Mexican 450 says, "Made in France" in the engine compartment, even though the VIN has the 'W'.
It says Made in France in a few spots on the car. I know in regular multi classed car shows Hondas get put in Asian categories despite being built in Kentucky or wherever they are built. I will mention I have had this dispute before about the new Mini. Since it is BMW, is it German? It is made in England...so that would make it a British car. Not sure what the VIN says on a Mini.

That being said, on a Honda if the VIN doesn't have a "J" than technically it should be classed as an American car even though the company is Japanese. This is all very confusing.

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Old 10-27-2009, 09:42 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I tried to get entrance info months ago from these people. They felt the smart wasn't a classic car where as, by their way of thinking, a new Ferrari is. Prior to getting the idea to enter, I thought about attending. I love quirky French and Italian cars. I even owned a few. After the snobbish response I got from these people, I'm passing on the show.
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say what you will I always say that where the American dollar goes is where the car belongs to. as every Japanese car you buy American dollars leave the country and slowly devalue it. that’s why in Japan they buy allot of Japanese only products which helps keep their economy strong and the yen strong.

here in America people are under the assumption that buying Toyota is buying American and you couldn’t be farther from the truth. now I can’t talk since I do not own any American car and I have 6 so I intern am not really helping an American company, but taxes are paid and people have a job and get paid for selling them. so the world still turns but if you haven’t notices how as we age and the more imports we buy the worse off we are but again that’s the fact of life and ill be kicking my own butt after I find myself unemployed because I as well as many Americans did not buy an American product. it’s all a point of view but I still keep to my decision that where the dollar goes is where that car belongs two. after all if the parent company dies the rest goes with it, or gets auctioned off.

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Old 10-27-2009, 11:37 AM   #24 (permalink)
 
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Correct me if I am mistaken, but are not all smart cars made in in Hambach, FRANCE? Are we not therefore a FRENCH product? Sure, we are a wholly-owned subsidiary of Daimler AG based in Germany, but saying we are therefore a German product is like saying the Toyota Camry, Sienna, Solara, and Tundra - all cars or trucks made only in the USA are not American cars and trucks. They are. Don't believe me? Check out the cars.com American-made Index... better yet ask the good folks in Lafayette or Princeton, Indiana, or San Antonio, Texas who work on the assembly lines. Or the people who build BMWs in South Carolina, or Mercedes-Benz products in Alabama.

Why do I mention this?

I own three Italian cars and a Babus smart fortwo. For many years now I have been showing my cars at an event held annually in the Los Angeles area called the Best of France and Italy car show. I have always looked forward to this show because it has always lived up to their own invitation statement: "Come join us at Woodley Park, Van Nuys for a day with the best of French and Italian motoring machinery." The show has always been wonderfully entertaining: a mix of Fiat, Lancia, Alfa, etc. on one side and Renault, Citroen, Peugeot, etc. on the other. Believe me, over the years Italy and France have made some wonderful, silly, even ridiculous cars and this is the place to see them all!

This year I intended to enter two cars: (1) My 1968 Fiat/Ferrari Dino 206 Spider, and (2) my 2009 smart Brabus Cabriolet.

This morning I got a call from a very serious lady who informed me that my Dino was welcome but I would definitely not be allowed to show my smart. The conversation went something like this:
She:"We have to draw the line somewhere. Your car is not French. It's German!"
Me:"Not really. It is made in Hambach, France...as are all smarts."
She: "Smart is owned by a German company."
Me: "Yes, but are not Subarus made in Indiana, or Hondas made in Marysville, Ohio American cars?"
She: "No... besides you car is not old enough"
Me: "How old is 'old enough'?"
She: "Ah... Well... smart is NOT a French car. We have to draw the line. Look you can bring your Dino... we won't even charge you (an entrance fee)."
Me: "It's not about the money. Smart cars are made in France. They are French products. They are indeed fine examples of 'The Best of France'."
She: "We have to draw the line somewhere."

The question is "Should smart be included in this show?" The fact is the world of cars has changed. Definitions have changed. Times have changed: Is Jaguar an English car? Was it American? Is it now Indian? What about Range Rove? England? German? American? Indian? Jaguar and Land Rover were and will be English AS LONG AS THEY MAKE THEM IN ENGLAND! Agreed?

And smart?
It was an idea conceived by a Lebanese/Swiss guy, developed by a German company, powered by a Japanese engine, and has always been made only in one factory in the whole world: HAMBACH, FRANCE - smart is and always has been MADE IN FRANCE.

What do you all think? Is it right that "the line has been drawn?" That we have been excluded?
No, ownership of the company, not place of production determines the nationality... there are no American Toyotas, just American built Japanese cars.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:04 PM   #25 (permalink)
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So does that mean that people can enter Romanian Dacias there, as the company that makes cars in Romania is owned by Renault, a French company? Also, would Lamborghinis and Buggattis be disqualified because those brands are owned by a German company (VW AG)?

Furthermore, Renault is now partnered with Nissan, a Japanese company, and many of their cars share the same platform. I suppose that could rule out Renault, and therefore we don't have to worry about Dacia XD

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say what you will I always say that where the American dollar goes is where the car belongs to. as every Japanese car you buy American dollars leave the country and slowly devalue it. that’s why in Japan they buy allot of Japanese only products which helps keep their economy strong and the yen strong.

here in America people are under the assumption that buying Toyota is buying American and you couldn’t be farther from the truth. now I can’t talk since I do not own any American car and I have 6 so I intern am not really helping an American company, but taxes are paid and people have a job and get paid for selling them. so the world still turns but if you haven’t notices how as we age and the more imports we buy the worse off we are but again that’s the fact of life and ill be kicking my own butt after I find myself unemployed because I as well as many Americans did not buy an American product. it’s all a point of view but I still keep to my decision that where the dollar goes is where that car belongs two. after all if the parent company dies the rest goes with it, or gets auctioned off.

So what percentage of the Purchase price of an American car built over seas comes back here as compared to a Foreign car made here?

If I Purchase a BMW or Toyota Built in America by American workers as opposed to an American car Built in Korea will I feel better about supporting the blue collar workers or the executives in America?
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:04 PM   #27 (permalink)
 
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No, ownership of the company, not place of production determines the nationality... there are no American Toyotas, just American built Japanese cars.
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If I follow your conclusion then Jaguar and Range Rover actually have become Indian cars now that Tata has purchased them. That's where the money ultimately is going to go: India.

And Saab long ago became American as GM has owned them for quite a while.

But what of Mazda? It has been announced that on November 18 Ford will sell some of their stock in Mazda making all Mazdas only 13% American cars instead of a 33.4% American.

And all that money that supposedly gets siphoned off to foreign shores? Much of that money is spent right here in the USA in places like Honda of America's or Toyota's R&D facilities, employing American citizens, developing vehicles which won't be sold anywhere else on the planet but right here in the good 'ol US of A.

You see how complicated this has all become?

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Fellow smart owners,
I really do appreciate your input.
I mean this. I wasn't looking for a bunch of people to tell me how right I am in my thoughts.

In the end my point is this:
1) Car shows exist because decent, hard-working organizers like the lady who has organized this show, put in the sweat and toil to, well organize the show. Bravo!
2) Car shows exist because people like to go to them look at cool cars. Bravo!
3) Car shows provide places where people can see interesting and unusual cars, some of which they have only seen in books or magazines ... the same books and magazines that are sold in this promoter's store. Bravo! Bravo that we get to see them; Bravo! that we still find places to buy these books and magazines
4) Car shows exist so we get to meet other car nuts and extol the virtues of our cars; swap war stories; and sometimes commiserate.
5) Car shows exist for people like me who like car shows. I go to a lot of them. And I have attended this particular show for 10 years now.

BUT...there is also a dark side to car shows:
1) Often when I attend Ferrari shows I am told that "Dinos are not REAL Ferraris." Right. That's why Enzo personally named them after his only son who died in his early twenties leaving his father to daily visit his son's grave for the rest of his life. Who says this? People who have "decided" this to be the case.
2) Purists (even at some tiny shows held on Main Streets or in abandoned drive-in theaters across America) get in ridiculous, mean spirited, arguments over whether a phillip head screw or a shade of red is "Original" or "Stock." We're not talking about Pebble Beach here.
3) People sometimes demand that their, more expensive brand-name car not be parked next to a more lowly marque.

In short sometimes we slice, dice, criticize, and in the end become elitist segregationists... of what? CARS.

Come on, we buy these cars and go to these shows because, at heart we are all still little kids, AND THAT'S GOOD!!!! But we sometimes end up acting more than a little childish.

One last very important thing: Car show promoters should NEVER FORGET that without those of us who spend a lot of money to search for, buy, restore, insure, care for, and pamper these little jewels...WITHOUT US THERE WOULD BE NO SHOW ...just an empty park on a Sunday afternoon.

Ladies, Guys,
All I ever wanted was for our silly little cars to be able to take part in a celebration of some of The Best products of FRANCE and Italy. Our cars were assembled in France by French citizens. In this sense they are some of the best products of France. I just wanted our smarts to be considered worthy in this way.

Thank you all for your thoughts and your sincere opinions. I wish you all happy motoring, and wish you lots of smiles per gallon.
Danny

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Old 10-27-2009, 04:19 PM   #28 (permalink)
 
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yoikes. well it's french enough to drive in the french car day parade here in NYC on Bastille day, sponsored by Air France and the French Consulate General, along with the usual aged citroens, Renaults & Peugeots and Velo-Solexes. Friendly crowd though.

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So just get about 20 or 30 smarts parked in their parking lot and see where all the people end up....
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If I follow your conclusion then Jaguar and Range Rover actually have become Indian cars now that Tata has purchased them. That's where the money ultimately is going to go: India.
Jaguar and Range Rover are still English makes, since I am guessing these these cars are conceived, designed and engineered in England. If if the design doesn't come from the UK, the aforementioned makes are still considered 'English'. This doesn't mean 100% of the financing is from England, nor does it guarantee that any or all of the parts will be manufactured in the UK. The Mazda Miata was designed in Irvine, CA, but that doesn't make 'Mazda' a U.S. model car...though it could be considered 'designed' in the U.S. even tho Mazda (and the car) are Japanese.
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