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Old 04-10-2008, 06:45 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Utterly disagree. You hit my hot button here.

If mass transit were conveniently available, more people here would use it. I most certainly would. In fact, I took the train to pick up my Smart, and walked the mile to the dealer.

Problem is here in Atlanta, as in many other cities, the rapid transit money is not used efficiently.

When I go to Europe, stations are generally basic and functional and are all over the place. The ones out in the 'burbs are essentially open platforms with a roof. That's all you need. And in some areas, you'll find five or more stations within a half mile radius.

MARTA, in it's great wisdom, put the stations miles apart from one another, generally not in residential areas, and primarily in inner city neighborhoods. Fat chance of walking to one. You have to drive to them, and if you are lucky enough to score a parking space, you have to be there by 7 am to do so.

The MARTA station directly acrost the street from my office could easily have been a platform/roof setup, been inexpensive to build, inexpensive to maintain, and they could have used the money saved to put additional stations in the three miles away in either direction til you reach the next.

But instead, I look out my window at a MASSIVE edifice which sits on either side of the street and a RR track, has two huge usually non-operative escalators and a urine soaked elevator to get up to the HUGE pedestrian bridge.

Then once you get to the other side, the ticket machines are so difficult to use, they have an employee who does nothing but help people put their money in and get a card. Oh, and should you lose the cheap paper card, or it wear out in your wallet, it costs you another $.50 cents to get a new one. Simple tokens, or coin machines were deemed inefficient. And let's not forget, the employee who shows you how to get your ticket also has to show you how to use it. YOu have to press it against a circle on the turnstile, and half the time, the circle doesn't recognize the ticket, and the employee ends up opening the handicapped gate to let you get through, since they know you PAID for the ticket, by virtue on the fact that they had to show you how to buy one! I kid you not!

Then you have to go back down to the platform level to catch the train, using either another pair of staircases, or yet another smelly elevator.

There is yet a second pedestrian bridge over the RR tracks on the other side of the station.

It makes no sense they spent millions and millions of dollars on each of these rail stations, when a simple platform and crosswalk would have accomplished the same thing.

Don't believe me? Everything with a red roof in this picture is a MARTA station. Note the extra parking lot, which has been closed off, btw. The location chosen for this station is at the main gate to a military base (the base personnell do NOT ride the train, it's too far to walk to anywhere in the base), and at an expressway. There are maybe 200 homes within any kind of walking distance, and only 2 businesses, mine, the small red roof in the middle bottom of the photo, and a liquor store a block down.

This is the kind of logic American transit people use when deciding where to set up rail stations.

OK, rant over.

Than have to deal with all that BS just to get to work......but then again I don't work in the big city and never will if I can help it.

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Old 04-10-2008, 06:46 PM   #22 (permalink)
 
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Old 04-10-2008, 06:48 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Boy you got that right, 4-2!

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And we Americans have a real penchant for conspicuous consumption and it doesn't get much more consipicuous than a Black Cadillac Escalade EXT, Lincoln Nav, Hummer, Yukon Denali etc. These drivers hate smarts. Priuses and the like because it shows them for what they really are.
I was sitting next to a Denali and the freekin tires almost overshadowed my smartie!!! LOLOL Glad I don't have to replace them!!
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Old 04-11-2008, 09:55 AM   #24 (permalink)
 
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I have had my smart for about 3 weeks, i like the car but if you get in any wind hang on, also i do not like how the car shifts gears, does anyone else.
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You'll have to excuse the fact that I scipped reading most of the replies. I've lived in both worlds. I mean Germany and the US. We are all about power. Just look at our driving and racing culture. Our for the longest time substandard engines and security features are well documented. For the average american a small efficient vehicle looks like a deathtrap. People don't want to hear about a Suburban driver in ICU after a head-on collision with a Smart in Canada. Or a S class dummy with the engine is its lap after the same crash. Don't get me wrong, nothing makes my blood boil more then a '69 charger with the true 426 hemi. We simply get what we pay for. 18 grand for a huge mercury containing a 289 V8. As Gas prices go up our industry will slowly bring vehicles like the VW Polo or Lupo, 1,1 and 1,4 TDI engines.
Is almost every magazine putting down on the Smart. Of course. But I'm only one person with one opinion.
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Old 04-11-2008, 07:46 PM   #26 (permalink)
 
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A simple answer to the thread question, no the smart isn't treated fairly by American car magazines. The cover and article in Car and Driver are some of the worst bias I've read.

The problem is the narrow experience of the new crop of auto journalist. The Mustang in '65 was sold as a fast car, zero to sixty in under 10 seconds. There were faster cars, but not by much. A 15 second 1/4-mile run was muscle car territory only. 12 mpg was common for a big-block, 16 mpg on small block cars.

My '96 euro-delivery BMW M3 was about 5.5 seconds 0 to 60, but I would get 32 mpg on road trips, and 24 mpg in town.

Now the writers gripe about 4.7 sec 0 to 60 in a BMW 135i. Fuel economy isn't as good as my M3, and it has 55 more twin-turbine horses.

Now these writers have blinders. It has to go faster! Forget economy, forget the planet, forget the purpose of a car.

The purpose of a car is so we can move farther to increase our value as a human resource in the market. But how fast do you need to go, and much thrust do we need?

Writers only consider what they know. Something unique, like an economical people mover isn't in their vocabulary. It's a typical human ignorant reaction, "it's different, and I may fear it, so I must kill it before it senses my fear.

Too bad this car is smart and in the end, the smartest will survive.
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After reading the C&D article I was a little bummed. I think part of it is due to the fact that I've been telling everyone how much I love this car, how great it is, etc. and now they see an article like this and may be thinking I've been b.s.ing them.

But let's be fair. The automatic mode does take a bit of time getting used to and honestly it is not like any automatic I've ever driven. And also you would expect higher mpg for the sacrifice in space of the car and it's appearance. I personally am averaging 37 for a combination of city/freeway and am more than happy with it. Do I feel that there should be more mpg after owning it for a couple of months? Not at all, I feel this car has other attributes that make up for it. But I don't think you can get that impression until you've lived with the smart for a bit and a test drive or two might not be enough.

I am personally hoping that the blatantly minute size of the smart will call excessive attention to it and plant an idea in the U.S. consumer's mind that we can do something other than supersize. I think the smart might get more that its share of abuse because it does go against the grain. I'm just going to keep waving the smart flag, because (and I think most smart owners will agree with me here) that this car is more that just a novelty. Right now I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar that this car, like the mini before it, will be around in the U.S. for many years to come. The smart is easily my favorite car that I've ever owned.

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When a car is as far from the norm as the Smart is, and doesn't perform well on the conventional metrics, you've got to expect the reviews the Smart has been receiving.

I don't think the magazines have altered how they test or evaluate cars to ding the Smart. What they haven't done is created a second set of tests / way of evaluation for the Smart. And I personally wouldn't expect them to.

In any case, and not just this one, if the criteria and weights used to evaluate a vehicle are different from your own, then the magazine conclusions just don't apply to you. With any test, it's important to see what is being measured.

I've written on this general topic here:

Comparison tests, what are they good for?

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Article written by JOHN SCHWARTZ in the New-York Times about his new smart:
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008...rssnyt&emc=rss
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Article written by JOHN SCHWARTZ in the New-York Times about his new smart:
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