SMART wreck on Jalopnik

[rfernatt]

Let's analyze the logic, shall we? As a true critical thinker, I'd think you'd enjoy that, right? You say:

Originally Posted by Critical Thinker

Exactly. And at the same time, don't expect everyone to subscribe to YOUR choices either.

I respond:

Originally Posted by rfernatt

In case you haven't noticed, we're not on your SUV board espousing the fallacies of driving an SUV. So who is pushing who to subscribe to a different set of choices? I didn't join an SUV board, bash SUVs, and attempt to evangelize those woefully ignorant drivers of something different than I drive.
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There is nothing wrong with a truck or an SUV, but I feel no need to hunt down Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, or smart drivers so I can belittle their choices and educate them about the error of their ways. I just hope the truck/SUV owner uses the truck/SUV for more than a cushy security blanket.

Obviously, you have some type of inferiority complex and feel the need to push others to adopt your choices and are not man/woman enough to feel comfortable with your own choices.

You say:

Originally Posted by Critical Thinker

Actually, I did read every word of your post. But I found no reason to copy/paste your entire post when responding, especially considering that you seem to think that you know me and my intentions for posting here when you obviously don't.

If you're looking to start an argument with me for the sake of arguing, well, sorry...that's not going to happen. If you want to have an intelligent debate or conversation, then feel free to post something that's not telling me who I am or why I'm here. Thanks.

I say evading the topic. You want to come onto an enthusiast's board to 'stir the pot' and then piously claim that you're not here to bait an argument? Do you also have accounts on Honda Goldwing, Harley, Yaris, and Accent sites so you can save them from their unsafe-in-your-opinion choices? Just what we all need, a self-proclaimed 'critical thinker' to come and save us from ourselves! Thank goodness you're here! You're more deluded in your public servant righteousness than I thought.

So, which is it? Did you create an account here to "evangelize those woefully ignorant drivers of something different"? Do you feel the need to push your choice of a satisfactory illusion of ultimate vehicle safety as the only one suitable for everyone else? Or, are you truly a troll?

[Godfather]

This forum doesn't only delete posts......... and the way Critical Thinker is proceeding, he/she will likely be joining the infamous mmmeat in permanent time out........ which will be regrettable, as was mmmeat's demise. Controversy does not thrive here.......... bullying, being terminally obnoxious, and portraying oneself as master of all things smart is ok, but not controversy. This deal is getting a LOT like HOG (Harley Owner's Group). "Come ride with us, so we can tell you how to ride, what to ride, what to wear, how to build it, how loud it can be, etc etc."
And......... just to stay on topic, how safe a car is depends on the nut behind the wheel.

[Brabus]

Originally Posted by Godfather

This deal is getting a LOT like HOG (Harley Owner's Group). "Come ride with us, so we can tell you how to ride, what to ride, what to wear, how to build it, how loud it can be, etc etc."

LMAO, that's funny and SO VERY TRUE!!! I had a 67yo pastor from Mobile, AL email me and ask me if I would trade my Smart for a Harley Hog. Also, had someone want to trade me an Austin Healey. Aren't these vehicles worth more than a Smart? At any rate, I'm not a car dealership...no trades, just cash. ;P

[Brabus]

Originally Posted by Dunerunner

I don't want the family to find a thread where we are discussing their deceased relatives fitness to drive, the aspects of (speculation about) the accident or how it might have happened or have been avoided.

There will undoubtedly be litigation over this and I don't believe this is a forum where we want to be armchair investigators. It is out of concern for the families involved that I chose to close the thread. Debate over elderly drivers abilities, political innuendo and everything else that was starting to be discussed there was due to the fact that all the relevant discussion had already taken place.

I know a bit about fair use as I did a 40-year soon to be published study on the television news media. You will notice the link provided in that thread does not show the minivan and take a look at the headline. The reason for this is the Smart sells newspapers. Minivan accidents are too commonplace. There has to be some sort of sensational aspect to it and a Smart car is more sensational than a minivan. It reaffirms the public viewpoint regarding the safety of the Smart. I will say my number one finding in what drives the news is exploitation, historical determinism and sensationalism. In that order.

Currently, I'm only aware of three Smart deaths. The 81yo man, the suicidal husband who killed his wife who crashed his Smart into a huge tree and the actress who I believe was in Africa?. From my research (lack of), I have no idea whether any of these people were wearing a seatbelt. Basic information that I would like to know.

[jwight]

and the actress who I believe was in Africa?.

Yes, there was a smart involved - a smart forfour (Mitsubishi), which most people sending the info around the web failed to notice or mention.

[BobDiaz]

Originally Posted by Critical Thinker

Bob,

I'm going to have to decline your challenge. I simply don't have the time or desire required to do that much research. I'll agree that your research was probably very comprehensive. But I'll also say that the numbers can (and probably will) change over time. Don't forget, the smart hasn't been on AMERICAN roads for very long. Give it time and keep up your good research.

OK, I understand, but keep in mind that we are working at two very different levels here. As you have seen from my other thread, I've taken real world data, generated a model and analyzed the expected outcome for the average car vs. what happened. The model is not perfect, but does show in the ballpark range that the number of deaths is less than the expected number of deaths (assuming average cars). While anything is possible, seeing a huge rise in the number of Smart Deaths is highly unlikely, but we would have to go into probability, sampling, and the bell curve to talk about that.

Your arguments tend to be hypothetical examples that look at one condition and ignore the full context of real world data. In the case of looking at head-on accidents small vs. big, this is only 2% of the accidents. What about the other 98% of the accidents?

Personally, I believe that you have made up you mind and no amount of real world data will ever prove other wise or change you mindset. Please enjoy whatever car you chose to drive. I see no point in continuing any debate with you, because we are working on two different levels.



Best Wishes,


Bob Diaz

[Neonspinnazz]

One more question CT, why do you quadruple post to our replies? It'll be a lot better if you could use our quotes and answer them in one post.

There's a multi-quote post reply to the right of every post in this forum.

[forestacademy]

What was this thread about?

[Kermit]

Just a reminder............

Originally Posted by SMART

Full Story: Smart ForTwo Punted By Delivery Truck, Returned By Van - Crash - Jalopnik

My opinion: the car did awesome and since its a 450 I know that the 451 would do even better with the added length. Another great wreck for smart!

[Critical Thinker]

Originally Posted by rfernatt

...I say evading the topic. You want to come onto an enthusiast's board to 'stir the pot' and then piously claim that you're not here to bait an argument? Do you also have accounts on Honda Goldwing, Harley, Yaris, and Accent sites so you can save them from their unsafe-in-your-opinion choices? Just what we all need, a self-proclaimed 'critical thinker' to come and save us from ourselves! Thank goodness you're here! You're more deluded in your public servant righteousness than I thought.

So, which is it? Did you create an account here to "evangelize those woefully ignorant drivers of something different"? Do you feel the need to push your choice of a satisfactory illusion of ultimate vehicle safety as the only one suitable for everyone else? Or, are you truly a troll?

See, there you go again trying to tell me why I'm here. And again I'll reply by telling you that I'm not going to argue with you. You may think whatever you want and that's just fine with me. So if you believe I'm evading the topic, then so be it....but you're not going to suck me into a silly debate over why I'm here.

BTW, just for the record, I've never said anyone here shouldn't have purchased a smart. I've never said that anyone here was foolish for purchasing a smart. In fact, I've never said that to anyone I know personally either. So much for your theory.