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Old 01-28-2009, 02:37 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Price comparisons aside, I still think the smart should get better mileage than it does
I think the smart does get better than the EPA rating in real use. Don't forget the EPA has changed their method of computing mpg just recently, and many are finding the new way is not reflecting real mpg any better. The smart would likely have a higher rating using the old standard.

Also note that many people in these forums are getting averages in the upper 30s to low 40s. With the EPA rating being 33/41, you'd expect the average to be 36. Turns out the average is more like 39 to 41 based on several places that track actual mileage. (cleanmpg.com, fueleconomy.gov, and spritmonitor.de being just a few examples to check.)

If the smart is averaging 39, it means it's really doing better than the EPA estimate, or lots of people bought them for highway driving (unlikely). I've tracked mine since I got it and am averaging about 39.5mpg at just over 11K, and that's with about 70% city driving. There are lots of smarts on all the tracking sites now, and almost all are showing 10% to 15% above the EPA average, which is unexpected for a car most use as a city car.

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Old 01-28-2009, 04:05 PM   #32 (permalink)
 
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I think many people believe the SMART should get even better milage.. 5th on the list for a car that is 1/2 the size? for one with a 1.0l motor (the hybrids have 1.5-1.6l motors, the TDI is a 2.0l motor). Plus the others can carry 4-5 people and luggage.

If you think about it, take a 1980s Civic CRX HF (the small 2-door hatch, with a 1.3l motor) and you have a "smart car". Small, 2 person, sub 2,000lbs etc.

Also interesting is that the current CivicHybrid and Prius both use small gas motors (1.5-1.6l with about 75-80hp). That sounds alot like their cars from the 1980s, except now they've added an electric motor to help out.

Not sure what my point is.. I'm just sayin' thats all.
Sounds like someone needs another drink of the Kool-Ade, your dose seems to be wearing off.

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Old 01-28-2009, 04:41 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Why doesn't Honda still build a 50mpg gas car?

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If you think about it, take a 1980s Civic CRX HF (the small 2-door hatch, with a 1.3l motor) and you have a "smart car". Small, 2 person, sub 2,000lbs etc.

I'd love to have even better economy from the smart and I think it will improve, however, whenever this comes up, I like to ask where is the 50 mpg Civic gasser today? If Honda could produce the 50+ mpg CRX HF in the 80s, don't you think they'd jump at the chance to do it now? Following that logic, if Honda could easily achieve 50+ mpg in a modern Civic that meets all government regulations, what could they achieve in a hybrid? Honda should be able to easily produce a 50+ mpg gas powered car and a 75+ mpg hybrid using technology they produced in the 80s and dominate the market. They've had the technology since the 80s, so why not cream the competition with it? You'd think in some 'crazy scheme to turn a profit,' to quote Gaylord Fokker, Honda would be cranking those suckers out day and night. So, why not?

The reason no manufacturer can do this now, even though their previous products did in the late 80s/early 90s, is government regulations, safety considerations, and creature comforts. Modern autos have become quite a bit different than their 1980s predecessors.

Personally, I think the gas smart could get better mileage if the engine had a bit more torque and didn't need such low gearing to wring out adequate performance. But, a more powerful engine of the same size probably violated cost or emissions constraints and a larger engine would violate packaging constraints - everything is a tradeoff. With technology advancements, however, I would expect to see improvement.

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Old 01-28-2009, 06:26 PM   #34 (permalink)
 
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Actually the battery kicks in at all speeds on the Prius.
Yes, but at high speeds a BMW gets better mpgs than your Prius!
So. why is the BMW not on the list if it can do better than a Prius speeding down the highway?



And what happens when that toxic battery is no longer usable?
-LANDFILL!!!!

And, how much damage does it take to build it?
-TOO MUCH!!!!

No Offence! just my .02

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Old 01-28-2009, 07:11 PM   #35 (permalink)
 
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Yes, but at high speeds a BMW gets better mpgs than your Prius!
So. why is the BMW not on the list if it can do better than a Prius speeding down the highway?

YouTube - Prius VS BMW M3

And what happens when that toxic battery is no longer usable?
-LANDFILL!!!!

And, how much damage does it take to build it?
-TOO MUCH!!!!

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No offense, but what's your point?

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Old 01-28-2009, 07:11 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Yes, but at high speeds a BMW gets better mpgs than your Prius!
So. why is the BMW not on the list if it can do better than a Prius speeding down the highway?
And a smart will get 26 MPG at 90 MPH.
Can't compair to the video because the british gallon is different.

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Old 02-02-2009, 09:35 PM   #37 (permalink)
 
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well i have a 2005 smart car and its diesel and i get 60 miles to the gallon

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Old 02-03-2009, 05:51 AM   #38 (permalink)
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We made the MSN page again today "top ten micro cars"
Life in the Tiny Lane - MSN Autos

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Old 02-03-2009, 06:04 AM   #39 (permalink)
 
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We made the MSN page again today "top ten micro cars"
Life in the Tiny Lane - MSN Autos
Thanks for the link. I enjoyed the article. Surprising, though, that they didn't mention the fuel economy of the fortwo after mentioning mpg on so many other cars in the article.

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