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Old 12-17-2009, 04:29 AM   #31 (permalink)
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However, whenever we have seen a trend adopted by US designers and builders, it invariably comes out cheapened and tinny. A good example here is the Chevrolet SSR, the mini-panel truck. They managed to create an xB analog, only without the room, utility, or quality. And, all that at a higher relative price point. Way to go, GM!
I'm all for calling out manufacturers when they screw up, but I feel you are quite off base here.

First off - the HHR is trying to appeal to a different demographic. The interior quality on the xB is appalling with cheap chintzy hard plastic, no armrest for the passenger, a shiny hard dashboard, mouse fur upholstery with no upgrade path, and not a lot in the way of creature comforts. The HHR is much higher quality inside, offers leather, and overall is more comfortable to drive (yes, for once a GM product with a bowtie has a better interior than the competition - go figure).

The HHR has 5 cubic feet less cargo space than the xB, you are right there - but 5 cubic feet is less than the trunk on our smarts - is this really that big of a deal?

Utility? You do know they make an HHR panel, right? The HHR also is actually rated for towing - Toyota won't rate the xB for towing, and there is also nothing back there to mount a hitch to without a backer plate. There's also a rather extensive listing of accessories for the HHR that doesn't consist mostly of body kits and interior mood lighting...

Quality - are you aware that Scion has recieved lower than average ratings for reliability? Have you driven one, or felt the thin sheet metal it is made out of?

I have looked at both of these pretty extensively - I am planning on replacing the VUE in a few years, and while I'll probably go the route of a small Mercedes, I am going to miss the utility of an SUV.

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I'm all for calling out manufacturers when they screw up, but I feel you are quite off base here.

First off - the HHR is trying to appeal to a different demographic. The interior quality on the xB is appalling with cheap chintzy hard plastic, no armrest for the passenger, a shiny hard dashboard, mouse fur upholstery with no upgrade path, and not a lot in the way of creature comforts. The HHR is much higher quality inside, offers leather, and overall is more comfortable to drive (yes, for once a GM product with a bowtie has a better interior than the competition - go figure).

The HHR has 5 cubic feet less cargo space than the xB, you are right there - but 5 cubic feet is less than the trunk on our smarts - is this really that big of a deal?

Utility? You do know they make an HHR panel, right? The HHR also is actually rated for towing - Toyota won't rate the xB for towing, and there is also nothing back there to mount a hitch to without a backer plate. There's also a rather extensive listing of accessories for the HHR that doesn't consist mostly of body kits and interior mood lighting...

Quality - are you aware that Scion has recieved lower than average ratings for reliability? Have you driven one, or felt the thin sheet metal it is made out of?

I have looked at both of these pretty extensively - I am planning on replacing the VUE in a few years, and while I'll probably go the route of a small Mercedes, I am going to miss the utility of an SUV.
I agree with MD, truely Scions are just terrible cars.

Toyota launched Scion and targeted my generation, hoping that we'd get past the Front wheel drive, high maintenance, cheap quality, and high price tag (for what you get), and buy thousands of accessories to make them "our own".

I personally despise the Scion. Yes they'll make nice professional drift racers and yes, they may have some style, but there is no true reason to buy a Scion.

The tuner crowd gives Scion bad marks for cheap quality and even more cheap modifications. And the fact that tuning your car shouldn't be like going through a web site page and clicking "checkout". If you want to make your car "your own", just buy any car and do what you like with it! And if you need help, there's where custom shops come in (SmartMadness etc.).

The teen crowd also gives Scion a thumbs down. They're unreliable at any age, they have a high price tag and cheap quality, they're not that good on gas, the mods are expensive, stupid looking, or don't even provide that much performance for what you pay. Prior to the release of Scion, teens gave them one last shot and requested that the sporty model (tC) be rear wheel drive, and of course Toyota had failed to listen to any requests from the the buyers they're targeting!

In irony, some surveys reveal that the majority of Scion buyers are actually 30yrs+ and another percentage is just purchases for drift racing teams.

If the iQ follows the same trend that Scions follow, smarts may not have to worry about competition at all.
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The teen crowd also gives Scion a thumbs down. They're unreliable at any age, they have a high price tag and cheap quality, they're not that good on gas, the mods are expensive, stupid looking, or don't even provide that much performance for what you pay. Prior to the release of Scion, teens gave them one last shot and requested that the sporty model (tC) be rear wheel drive, and of course Toyota had failed to listen to any requests from the the buyers they're targeting!
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Let Scion be the first to use two wings rather than just splitters up front.

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