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Old 01-18-2008, 09:14 AM   #11 (permalink)
 
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Despite canceling my reservation months ago after a demo drive of the car, I am still interested enough in the Smart to follow this and other forums. This is my first post here. I canceled for two reasons: the transmission and the fact that my very short wife did not fit in the car. I read posts that said the transmission would be improved for the car actually shipping to the USA. Is this true? We were thinking about the Smart as a second car for my wife to use for her daily 10 mile round trip commute on city streets. The car would have been perfect for that. Having decided against the Smart, a Mini is a nice alternative for us, but there is a good chance we will try and wait for a plug-in hybrid.

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Too bad you dropped out. The transmission is much improved from the Euro spec cars we drove on the road shows. No plug in hybrid is in the works as far as I know. smart did show a stop/start hybrid "light" at the Detroit Auto Show this week. Saves about another 10% or so in mileage.
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Old 01-18-2008, 09:25 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Too bad you dropped out. The transmission is much improved from the Euro spec cars we drove on the road shows. No plug in hybrid is in the works as far as I know. smart did show a stop/start hybrid "light" at the Detroit Auto Show this week. Saves about another 10% or so in mileage.
spdickey, they may have shown a movie of it, but there was no car on the Detroit smart stand. Just the usual coupe and cabrio. There were plug-in electric cars from other companies but the best range listed for any of them was 60 miles per charge; would be OK for up to a 30 mile commute, but the electrics will not be over the road cars IMO.

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I sent an email to smart addressing the up charge and asked them to make sure that Mr. Schembri reads it.

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Old 01-18-2008, 09:37 AM   #15 (permalink)
 
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I think that it will take a greater than 50% cancellation rate to make cars available to recent reservations in this year. I do not see that happening so be prepared for a long wait if you have a recent rsv.
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You all have to remember too that many of these dealers are in fact owned by Penske himself...so I think this could be a stab in the back of their promise not gouge the customer. Do it secretly and legally, a save face kinda deal, but still get the money.
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spdickey, they may have shown a movie of it, but there was no car on the Detroit smart stand. Just the usual coupe and cabrio. There were plug-in electric cars from other companies but the best range listed for any of them was 60 miles per charge; would be OK for up to a 30 mile commute, but the electrics will not be over the road cars IMO.

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I guess the one Dr. Z was shown in front of the hybrid lite at the show wasn't left out after the press debut.
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Old 01-18-2008, 11:22 AM   #18 (permalink)
 
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Sorry, but the Mercedes thing was part of it. Anyway, to help get back on track, I believe that after some rational thought many will back out when the time comes.

1. Some may have only a passing interest and/or do not miss the temporary loss of their returnable $99.

2. Some will realize that it is not suitable as an only car unless they are urban dwellers with an affordable place to garage it. And, only marinas charge to dock by the foot.

3. Some will realize that it is not a good substitute for a second “standard” car, and is of limited practicality if not used as intended (as a “city car”).

4. Some will realize that $12-$17k is a lot of money for “Whee; look at me” motor-bling that will be of transient cuteness and attention-getting value, if that is their primary interest. PT Cruisers are now invisible, and even MINIs are not turning heads.

5. Some will realize that it isn’t an extremely “green” or extremely cheap commuter. The MPG is quite good but not spectacular, and 91-octane gas adds expense.

6. Some will tire of waiting and might go the grey route, or wait for used U.S. 451s sold by disillusioned, early buyers. Some might hold out for a future U.S. “stop-start” (maybe) or diesel (not gonna happen) configuration.

7. Some will not care for long distances to dealers and servicing.

8. Some will shy away due to safety concerns, real or imagined.
A couple of notes about this post:

Living in Chicago area, I've found that driving a smart around the city FAR SURPASSES the use of a normal car. This includes so-called 'midsize' cars, which are just as long as SUVs. Even some compact vehicles' size makes the smart an even more attractive option. Yesterday I parked a demo vehicle in a spot I could not even fit a two-seater 350Z in.

Also, the smart fortwo is actually the GREENEST car available now. Keep this in mind: The 'greenness' of a vehicle CANNOT be judged on the useable life of the vehicle alone. What happens to 45-50 MPG hybrids after their lives on the road are through? How much of the hybrid system is recyclable? Is the vehicle 95% recyclable like the fortwo?

Now, I'm not naiive enough to not realize that you need somewhere to recycle a vehicle. However, at least smart has thought about the future, and has engineered and built their vehicle with that in mind. How many other manufacturers have had that in mind?

And you say the MPG is not spectacular? It's got the best MPG of any gas-powered car sold in the US today (and that's using 2008 EPA standards!). The only vehicles that surpass that are hybrids, which cost around $10,000 - $20,000 more. Are you saying that the extra $10-20k is worth it to pay to save $0.15-0.20 per gallon at the pump? It's tank is only a little under 9 gallons. That's a dollar and a half. Even if you fill up the car once a week, that's still...what? Less than $100/year? Not to mention that 91 octane gas burns cleaner, is better for the environment, and improves fuel economy and performance.

Several people I know are also purchasing this car for use to drive to and from work. Maybe it is only 5-20 miles a day 5 days a week, but using this car to commute is a much better option for the environment and your pocketbook. Think of it this way...do you drive to work alone or do you carpool with 4 other people? If you drive to work 4 days a week with at least 2 other people, then it makes sense to drive a car that seats 5. But if you drive by yourself, what sense does it make? Liken it to going to a restaurant by yourself, sitting in a large booth, and ordering food for 5.

True, this car does not make sense for a lot of people. Hopefully a few the over 10,000,000 people in Chicagoland area will see that this car makes sense for them.
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To me the only unique thing the Smart has is size. Otherwise it seems like a fairly conventional vehicle. I think that Smart has a window of opportunity to sell cars right now, but when the plug-in hybrids hit the market I wonder what the motivation would be to buy a Smart. Maybe the cuteness factor and cost. No matter what it will probably always be the smallest car available and a Smart plug-in hybrid would be really interesting. The potential problem would be that the technology would add cost and people would skip it and get a bigger more practical car. Overall I am not a big fan of cars and much prefer bicycles and motorcycles. Our only car is a Buick Rendezvous which has been a useful versatile vehicle, but it handles and accelerates like a kitchen appliance and gets poor gas mileage and I hate to park the thing. So I really look forward to the day when we have something small and zippy and low polluting to drive around the city. In the meantime I will follow the owners' experiences with the Smart over the next year and see how it pans out. Oh yeah, I am a little jealous! Have fun with the car!
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You all have to remember too that many of these dealers are in fact owned by Penske himself...so I think this could be a stab in the back of their promise not gouge the customer. Do it secretly and legally, a save face kinda deal, but still get the money.

Are there any Smart dealers that are owned in whole or part by Penske in the USA (other than Detroit) ?

Could someone find out whether the Smart Center of Detroit charging a 'Doc
Fee?'

Yes, I may bite the bullet and pay the exorbitant ($399) doc fee, but it takes some of the pleasure away from what should be an 'all good' experience. If the objective of preventing brokers from profiteering is to build brand loyalty, my loyalty is down about $400. If I go ahead with the purchase, it's $400 that will not go into accessories, etc at the DEALER.
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