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Old 09-11-2008, 08:03 PM   #41 (permalink)
 
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i think flipping orphans is, while legal, unethical and immoral.
You live in a free market society. Be thankful for that. You can't control prices when demand is greater than supply.

It works the other way, too. Nothing anybody can do about plummeting truck prices due to lack of demand.

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Old 09-11-2008, 09:37 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Hey mnext02, sorry to have hijacked your thread. You will sell your car for whatever the market will bare. It's the American way!


If you're in a hurry, reduce the price (as others have suggested), or widen your audience. Sales is almost a science these days and not one of those tricky sciences like rocket surgery.

Good luck - I wish you well

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I thought the original question raised in the first post was a valid one. I am curious if the demand for Smart cars is subsiding in the secondary market. I was able to get an orphan last February because I couldn't stand to wait, but now my wife's reservation is up for configuration. Our orphan is a passion but we were always interested in a cabrio. Although we have really grown to love our passion we're debating selling it since we only have room for one Smart in the family and the configuration is an opportunity to get all the bells and whistles. We don't want to make any profit. We just want to switch cars and keep paying the bank.
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Old 09-12-2008, 09:30 AM   #44 (permalink)
 
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do you define a non-profitable business as a car owner who cannot get the price he wants on a car?

i merely suggested that a little suffering go with the impatience of buying something on impluse because you can't wait like everyone else and then complaining because you can't flip it in 24 hours so you can get your second shot at the same something. either wait your turn or forfeit your turn and get something sooner.

i don't care for the "cake and eat it too" types.

has nothing to do with business or profit or gov't jobs or charities.
I was just curious how you managed to earn your daily bread without violating your anti-profit principles. Since you call those who do make profit "sleazy" you must either have a government job or work for a non-profit charity. Even if one works for wages, the employer still must be making a profit to be able to stay in business.

Do you consider those who work for profit-making businesses to also be "sleazy"? After all they are supporters of a sort of behavior you find to be morally reprehensible, without workers all those evil money-making firms would be long gone (and their jobs too). And, in your view, the world would be a better place, or have I misunderstood the gist of your posts: Profit=bad
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Patience gets a passion at the same price

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a $15,000 pure isn't a bargain IMHO.
i hope this happens to everyone who buys an orphan while keeping their reservation intact.
i think the whole flipping thing is risky, unethical and immoral. certainly legal - but don't whine to me when the risk becomes too great and bites you on the ass.
I agree $15K for a Pure is nutty.

I ordered, waited and paid $14,600 (or something very close to that for mine which is a Passion)

Myself, I wouldn't pay more than MSRP for any car anyway - I simply don't care enough about wanting something that bad (much the same as PS3's..... I prefer to hold out and when there is an abundance buy then)

Luckily I was one of the first to order so I am didn't get on the orphan train and get ripped off.

Cheers
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I am curious if the demand for Smart cars is subsiding in the secondary market.
Reduced prices are result of increased supply.
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on the other hand, if IKE does as much damage as predicted, gas prices could shoot up, which could in turn drive up demand for smarts.
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Seriously, put it on ebay. They have new pricing now so you wont have to pay to list it, other than a reserve price fee of 7 bucks.
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I am sure glad I am not in business with this guy: he seems to think profit is a dirty word. I guess he thinks we all work for the government or some kind of charity. Unless he has figured out how a non-profitable business can keep paying it's employees......

Explain to me again how earning money by buying low and selling high is a bad thing?
That's easy: Buying in-demand cars low and selling high is not adding anything of value. You financially harm someone who might have otherwise been able to buy the car without a markup and, yet, you have added no value to the transaction and contributed nothing to the GNP.

What's wrong with a business that actually does something to earn its money? If you want to make money from people's interest in the smart fortwo, why not become a vendor or manufacturer of aftermarket products for the smart -- like those that advertise here? Or you could provide a service -- perhaps one where you install performance products, car audio and alarm systems, or perform custom upholstery and/or bodywork for the smart fortwo marketplace. All of that seems much more reputable than just flipping cars to desperate buyers.
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Seriously, put it on ebay. They have new pricing now so you wont have to pay to list it, other than a reserve price fee of 7 bucks.
I read that last night. And its $125, if it sells, right?

I emailed the dealer today to see what they would give me.
They told me $12000.

I wonder if I could get $14000 on ebay.
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