iQ Review - Page 5

Smartdavis · 01-06-2009, 12:46 PM

OK...back on the soap box. So I gather forestacademy that you would trust the government to take care of you for everything? Like taking care of you after say Hurricane Katrina, or a major earthquake. The government is not a magic fairy. It's just a bunch of ordinary people and they make lots of mistakes. I would rather have the resources to take care of myself more, and not have to completely turn my entire life (and income) over to a million government employees in Washington who are deciding how much water my toilet can use. Stepping off now.

Whoops! I really wanted to talk about the IQ in this thread.

chieftmc · 01-06-2009, 12:49 PM

ARGH, MATEY

AGREEEED

Smartdavis is correct !

BigWarpGuy · 01-06-2009, 12:53 PM

Personally, I think the iQ is nice looking.

I think it will help Toyota. It seems they are hurting - sales wise - too.

vwW12 · 01-06-2009, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forestacademy

If it didn't then those safer choices would fetch a premium that the poor could not afford

The average price of a new car is $27,800.

This 3,706 hours of work or 1 yr 9 months of labor if you make $7.50 an hour. Kinda hard for a poor person to reach, I daresay.

Are you sure that the current price of new cars does not include a premium because of the cost of government mandates including
(1) CAFE,
(2) CARB,
(3) EPA,
(4) DOT and
(5) NHTSA?

Are you sure that currently these mandates are not raising the price of cars to the point where the poor can only afford old vehicles that are necessarily not as safe? That the choice of buying a new unencumbered automobile has not been taken away from the poor?

Now getting back to the Toyota iQ... I, for one, would like to drive one and get 57 MPG (US gallons), but government won't let me!

forestacademy · 01-06-2009, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwW12

The average price of a new car is $27,800.

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Are you sure that currently these mandates are not raising the price of cars to the point where the poor can only afford old vehicles that are necessarily not as safe? That the choice of buying a new unencumbered automobile has not been taken away from the poor?

Once again I remind folks of
Cheepest car in america
This is a Family car that can acomidate adults in the back seat.
A Safe inexpensive car with Great fule economy can be built. We just need to be willing to give up Power Windows, AC, Auto trans, GPS, Auto wipers, Self Parking...

I have never paid more than $20K for a car and the last 2 NEW cars I have purchased with bells and whistles were under $16K. That's $11,800 under the Adverage price of a new car. That just shows it can be possible to meet these standards within reason.

Well in my opinion anyway, Im sure many of you will disagree

Ready - Go

Smartdavis · 01-06-2009, 01:39 PM

Are you sure that the current price of new cars does not include a premium because of the cost of government mandates including
(1) CAFE,
(2) CARB,
(3) EPA,
(4) DOT and
(5) NHTSA?

And other costs like:
(6) UAW rules
(7) PAC's
(8) Liability insurance premiums
(9) Congressional elections every two years

But I am really looking forward to seeing an IQ soon. It's the only other car that might get me to trade in my Smart (because of the back seat) although the Smart is much better looking.

Jordon · 01-06-2009, 01:56 PM

I guess I am the only one that does not mind that the government requires a vehicle to be safe before it can be sold here.
My opinions:

I would rather they crash a car with a dummy in it, rather than me crashing it.
Traction control, ESC, ect. are for those that should take more driving lessons, seriously how hard is it to let off the gas. (Will argue for ABS though).
The iQ will be called "Toyota's/Scion's smart car" by most people and will eventualy end smart in the US (unless smart starts building anything different).
If you are going to mess with the electronics of a vehicle do it under warantee and make it where it looks like you did nothing to cause it.
I also have an opinion on the $7.50 and hour and new car thing, but too many people on here will get upset to hear what I have to say.