So will it be Gasoline or Mountain Dew?

[John_H]

You didn't ignore! I knew this was going to happen! So. Will I expect the quality of posts to improve or degrade in this new state of mental liquidity?

[NCC1701]

I've done more reading and watched a couple more videos. Everybody knows the technology currently in use is terribly inefficient, and it would be fantastic to see something come along which would make a huge difference. In the following video and elsewhere, the claim is made that GEET can fuel an engine with water plasma (H-H-O). The caption reads, "Crude oil is only used to prime the engine. The primary fuel is water." It also states that atomic reactions are going on. "the carbon doesn't vanish, it is transmuted into another element." (paraphrasing) ... of course, water contains no carbon. But, molecular changes do not transmute one element to another.

I want to believe someone will come up with something revolutionary. Promoters of perpetual motion machines have often made convincing demonstrations though, and this still smells like snake oil to me.

YouTube - Paul Pantone Plasma Reactor Motor

YouTube - Paul Pantone Plasma Reactor Motor

Plasma behaves differently than gas because it is electrically conductive and responds to magnetic fields - wikipedia

[John_H]

Transmutation! Thank goodness! Now we can turn those pesky plutonium byproducts into harmless gold.

I can see no "hydrocarbons" coming out the back end, but no carbon? Yeesh. Since it's "lighter elements" coming out the back end by his declaration, he's discovered cold fission! And here I only thought cold fusion was interesting. He said there's "something molecular" going on yet transmutation is something "atomic" or, perhaps more appropriately, "sub atomic."

I can see an "80% water for fuel" as working because disassociating the water into its components allows for such a large volume of reactants that recombining with air would allow the energy-containing items (ions from the hydrocarbons or the battery acid) to have a more reactive flow to work with given all the hydrogen and oxygen recombining, too.

Have the GEET feul processor run a generator to charge an EESU ultracapacitor from EEStor and you've got the greatest hybrid ever!

Ah, for a real Tesla to pull up and away from all the muck that surrounds him or her.

[NCC1701]

Originally Posted by John_H

I can see an "80% water for fuel" as working because disassociating the water into its components allows for such a large volume of reactants that recombining with air would allow the energy-containing items (ions from the hydrocarbons or the battery acid) to have a more reactive flow to work with given all the hydrogen and oxygen recombining, too.

I can't say I understand that. Whether producing a plasma, or simply reducing water to H² and O² via electrolysis (or whatever), the energy required to break the molecular bonds is greater than what you retrieve when recombining (burning) them. And, producing the plasma is even more energy intensive than simply breaking water into H² and O². But, you're not talking about burning hydrogen and oxygen alone, that's where I'm not clear.

Ah, for a real Tesla to pull up and away from all the muck that surrounds him or her.

Amen ... and, I bet Krootie didn't count on this.

[John_H]

Originally Posted by NCC1701

the energy required to break the molecular bonds is greater than what you retrieve when recombining (burning) them.

Or, more accurately, the energy retrieved is not greater than the energy expended. Absolutely.

Originally Posted by NCC1701

But, you're not talking about burning hydrogen and oxygen alone, that's where I'm not clear.

If you have 1000 carbon atoms (plasma) heading into a chamber with air, those carbon atoms will do there best to react with whatever they can as their thermal energy quickly transfers to the colder gas. If you send them in with a few thousand hydrogen and oxygen atom friends as well, the whole place gets hotter and more exciting. It may be that the elevated reaction can significantly improve the quality of the carbon reaction. While there's absolutely no gain in splitting and recombining water, the environment afforded by the oxygen and hydrogen plasma could make things better.

One of the big precepts behind the HHO systems (from people who actually know a little about it) is that the minor addition of those H and HO ions changes the reaction quality of the normal fuel and air mixture. The full plasma takes that a step further.

[Old smart]

There is a LOT of available energy in burning sugar. Witness the cheap, home-made, Qassam rockets used by Hamas against Israel. They are fueled by a mixture of sugar and fertilizer.

[jwight]

Where's my cold fusion reactor?

As for Mountain Dew, I'm not drinking anything that doesn't look any different going out than it does going in.