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Old 12-20-2008, 06:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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When I reserved mine it was still part of Chrysler so does that count?

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Old 12-20-2008, 08:12 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
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The greed that has led to the export of manufacturing jobs has caught up to the world wide economy, add in the banking industry that worldwide has forgotten the laws of economics in favor of stuffing the pockets of a small part of the worlds population. This last quarter sales of Ferrari worldwide are off 80%, Porsche is off 40%. Look forward to 15-16% unemployment in the US this time next year, this is no recession folks, it's a lot worse than it looks.
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From Today's News Wire

Toyota is forecasting first operating loss in 71 years, prompting Moody's to consider downgrading
firm's AAA rating. In statement released today, world's 2nd largest automaker expects a ¥150B
($1.7B) loss in the year ending in March vs. earlier forecasts of a ¥600B profit. "We’re facing an
unprecedented emergency situation,” said President Katsuaki Watanabe. “Unfortunately, we can’t
see the bottom.”
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Old 12-22-2008, 08:23 AM   #14 (permalink)
 
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So Toyota announces a loss?

Well, the Toyota shareholders will be absorbing the loss!

One can't celebrate personal stock and home value gains without realizing that, much as these things over the long term go up, they sometimes go down.
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Old 12-22-2008, 08:46 AM   #15 (permalink)
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SO toyota has announced a loss for the first time in 71 years.
1.7B for the year.

GM’s third-quarter loss of $39 billion

Ford disclosed its largest quarterly loss in history — $8.7 billion Third Quarter

Chrysler LLC lost about $2.7 billion in the two months after Daimler AG sold controlling interest in the U.S. automaker to a New York private equity firm..

Looks Like Toyota is still comming out of this thing smelling prety good
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Old 12-22-2008, 08:53 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
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Toyota projects first operating loss since 1941 due to slumping auto demand and strong yen

NAGOYA, Japan (AP) -- Toyota Motor Corp. projected its first-ever operating loss since it began such reports, acknowledging Monday that its nine-year stretch of global vehicle-sales growth had stalled.
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Crashing auto demand, especially in its key U.S. market, and the profit erosion from a surging yen proved too much for Japan's top automaker, which had been booming on the success of its fuel-efficient models, incluading the Camry sedan and Prius gas-electric hybrid.
Gloom dominated the annual news conference by Toyota's president, who in recent years had outlined ambitious expansion plans. This year, Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe even refused to give a worldwide vehicle sales goal for 2009.
"The tough times are hitting us far faster, wider and deeper than expected," he told reporters at Toyota's Nagoya office. "This is an unprecedented crisis requiring urgent action."
Watanabe also blamed the strong yen, which has risen to 13-year highs against the dollar to about 90 yen recently.
Toyota lowered its net profit forecast to just 50 billion yen ($555 million) for the year through March 2009 -- a tiny fraction of the 1.7 trillion yen it earned the previous fiscal year.
Toyota expects to lose money on an operating basis of 150 billion yen ($1.66 billion) for the fiscal year ending March 2009. Toyota has never reported an operating loss since it began giving such figures in 1941. The only such loss it has had is an internal calculation for the year ending March 1938, a year after the company was founded.
Operating income reflects a company's core business performance. Last fiscal year, Toyota had a whopping operating profit of 2.27 trillion yen.
Toyota also lowered the number of vehicles it expects to sell globally this calendar year to 8.96 million, down 4 percent from a year ago. Earlier this year, Toyota had expected to sell 9.5 million vehicles around the world in 2008.
Initially, it had an even more aggressive target of 9.85 million, and expectations had been growing that the tally would reach 10 million in coming years -- allowing Toyota to dethrone General Motors Corp. as the world's top automaker.
Watanabe vowed Toyota would grow so lean it would realize profitability even if its worldwide sales slid to as low as 7 million vehicles -- what he called the basic "bottom line" for Toyota.
"We must change to become more slim, muscular and flexible," he said.
Tsuyoshi Mochimaru, auto analyst for Barclays Capital in Tokyo, warned worse may be ahead. U.S. auto sales won't start recovering until toward the end of 2009, and the dollar may lag further, he added.
"The problem is next year," said Mochimaru. "It's unmistakable that things are extremely tough for Toyota."
Watanabe and other executives said production plans and other investment will be on hold, including a new plant in the southern U.S. state of Mississippi and expansion plans in India.
The automaker will focus on hybrids and small cars, and invest in ecological technology to prepare for long-term growth, they said.
Mitsuo Kino****a, a Toyota executive, said he hoped the results for the fiscal year through March would mark a bottom, partly with the help of dropping material prices. Soaring prices of steel and oil had hurt automakers, but such costs have fallen back in recent months.
But unfavorable currency shifts will slash 200 billion yen ($2.2 billion) from its results for the fiscal year through March, while marketing activities, including measures to deal with sinking sales, trimmed another 570 billion yen ($6.3 billion), according to Toyota.
While Japan's automakers are in far better financial shape than their cash-strapped American counterparts, the global slowdown is hitting them hard.
At a similar news conference last week, Takeo Fukui, president of No. 2 Japan automaker Honda Motor Co., also lowered profit and sales forecasts and declined to give a vehicle sales goal for 2009.
Toyota said it will reduce temporary workers at its Japan plants to about 3,000 by March from an earlier 6,000. Full-time employees will have job security.
Toyota is a relatively old-style Japanese company that offers lifetime employment, and only in recent years has hired and let go of temporary workers to adjust production. It was reviewing overseas jobs but had not reached a decision, it said.
Monday marks the second time Toyota reduced its forecast. Initially, it had projected 1.25 trillion yen ($13.9 billion) in net profit for the year through March 2009, but last month lowered that to 550 billion yen ($6.1 billion). It lowered its fiscal sales forecast to 21.5 trillion yen ($239 billion), down about 18 percent on year.
Toyota's U.S. vehicles sales plunged by a third on year in November, when overall sales fell to their lowest level in more than 26 years. And there is little hope for a quick fix as consumers hold back big purchases amid a credit crunch, rising unemployment and fears about the future.
"The change that has hit the world economy is of a critical scale that comes once in a hundred years," Watanabe said. The company's stock fell 5 yen, or 0.17 percent, to 2,895 yen in Tokyo.
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Old 12-22-2008, 08:59 AM   #17 (permalink)
 
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you also have to realize alot of the "loss" gm has taken is with the amount of products it brought to market, they have the most products out their and their all neww cars so that costed a pretty penny, whats funny is people hit the big three yet most of the cars they own are all imports, volvo saab, opel.... let us not forget the most sold vehicle this year that trumped everyone was the ford f150 and the second place came to the silverado, almost 500000 units each pretty good numbers if i say so, then the cars were toyota and honda so let it be known that the best selling vehicle sold in the us is still American !!
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Wonder if this will have an impact on their F1 budget? Honda pulled out due to complete lack of having a competitive package. Toyota was making great progress this year...
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Interesting change

I think the big thing to look at is the relative swing within a single year from a projected $13.9B profit to a - $1.7B loss, meaning that their net -delta for the year has been -$15.6B. Another couple of these years, and Toyota will be in line with the Three with their hand out for help. All have the same problem with a different cultural challenge for Toyota. They will have to do most of their cost cutting outside of Japan due to the corporate and national culture of lifetime employment [except for the temps of the last few years]. If the US is the fastest drop-off market, guess which country will be at the receiving end of the cost cutting samurai sword?
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Look forward to 15-16% unemployment in the US this time next year, this is no recession folks, it's a lot worse than it looks.

Yeah, and a wise woman once said..."the sky is falling, the sky is falling"! Yes, things are bad, no its not Armageddon. Saw an interview the other day (cant remember the guys name) that said the main hurdle to ending this recession is a lack of consumer confidence. Most people arent going to lose their jobs and most people arent going to lose their homes but everyone is worried about it. Which I think is understandable but I can also see the guys point. I felt bad for GM so we bought a Chevy Colorado on saturday and it was even built in the USA! (of course, $9K off MSRP helped!) We traded a 1991 Chevy Silverado in with 165,800 miles on it. Not all GM products are crap.


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