Elem-D, we could argue all day about the sonic qualities of 6x9s versus other profiles.. point is that you can place a 6.5 in the smart quite easily and a 6x9 would need some modding.. and for what?
I agree with you in that the smarts interior is not made to be used as an SPL chamber. But not for the reason you state. SPL competition needs an air tight chamber but it also needs it to be VERY solid as in thick 1 inch metal enclosures... our plastic panels would buckle like a tissue paper sail in a hurricane.
If you research the vehicles used most for this venture in competitions the Astro van or "brick" looking vehicles prevail. Why? because the way to gain max SPL is to totally SEAL the interior from air leaking out. they basically build up the inside to brinks truck tolerances and put 6 inch thick windows in them. I saw one compete and hit 181db!!! that is insane in more ways than one... first off in MY opinion. it is a waste of money, time, audio equipment, ETC. on the other side it creates a false image that SPL is the maximum expression of an audio system.. I think it is absolutely the opposite. SPL is the stupidest form of competition in the AUDIO industry and should not be even tied into it. it serves no function or purpose, if any it degrades the industries reputation.
In SPL competitions there are no points given to spacial design, sound quality, tonality, visual design and integration to the original vehicles design, nor do they care to actually play MUSIC. its all tested with a wave generator with a couple of frequencies turned to peak. they are basically showing off the sound of an electrical short out! OH HOW COOL IS THAT!!!! Pathetic
ok to start off i dont mean to come off as an ass hole but i have done meny audio instals and im not going for stupid loud bass all the time. i will be putting 6.5's in the dore because the have nice mid/highs. and will prob do 2 6/9's some where els becuase they have nice mid/lows. and then the 2 subs in the back i will have a 4000 watt 2 channle amp for the subs and a 1000 watt 4 channle for the for speakers. i now how to "tune" this kind of stuff so it wont be all boom boom boom but if i want it to be there it will hence the remote bass knob i will mount somewhere. o one more thing spl is clearness of music dbl is loudness.
o one more thing spl is clearness of music dbl is loudness.
Nope. SPL is "sound pressure level," which is the overall volume of the sound, which is measured in Decibels, abbreviated as dB. "Clarity" of the signal as reproduced by the system isn't represented by either SPL or dB.
first off in MY opinion. it is a waste of money, time, audio equipment, ETC. on the other side it creates a false image that SPL is the maximum expression of an audio system.. I think it is absolutely the opposite. SPL is the stupidest form of competition in the AUDIO industry and should not be even tied into it. it serves no function or purpose, if any it degrades the industries reputation.
guys i dont understand...im putting some subs in my car why is they so bad is it because you guys dont like lots of bass well thats your style i dont want to get into an agrument over anything all of you guys are awsome and im sure you will be of much help to me when i get my car i just started this thread wondering if anybody has subs in the back of there smart thats not the under dash box or anything like that and wanted to know how it sounded and stuff now becuase i want to be diffrent isnt a big deal i didnt think it was wrong but it seems like nobody wants that. now i here alot of why the hell would you put subs in your car and be that loud and blah blah blah i dont wanna here that i wanna here some one who has a 12 or to in the back of there smart and how they like it not its a waste of time and stuff like that sorry for comeing of as a dick but its how i feel.
It's just a bunch of us ol' coots sittin on the porch,
*****ing about those kids; their boom boom car's,
their pants around their butts....
Got their hats on funny
Yah hear that racket?
Their gonna to be deaf one day!
Now in my day....................
Last edited by Chris Wurgler; 07-09-2009 at 07:33 PM.
Joey: I like bass. And the full range of audible frequencies, reproduced in a natural way. In my view, a perfect sound system is one which would allow you to close your eyes and not be able to tell whether you were listening to a live performance, or a reproduction of it. In most cases, that will mean giving equal priority to the entire spectrum (with some variation for the listening area to make up for its acoustic characteristics.).
Perhaps the musicians you listen to use primarily bass instruments? I didn't notice anyone who has voiced an opinion state that they didn't like bass. Bass is a very important part of most music!
It is your ears which are in danger ... not mine. I and others here have expressed concern for YOUR safety (yes, hearing loss is a safety issue ... it is physical, irreparable damage).
But, even assuming you have no objection to permanent hearing loss ...
when a person of your persuasion LITERALLY rattles the windows in my house, it IS my business. When I'm sitting in my home, and a boom car goes down the road with its sound overwhelming whatever entertainment I have going on IN MY HOME, it is my business. And it irritates the hell out of me.
Oh, and with regard to your coment that you don't do it all the time. Hearing loss of this type is cumulative. It happens over time, slowly, you won't notice it til it's acute.
My Salon is near a High School and when you get one of those BASS Boomers stopped out at the light it actually Vibrates the mirrors in the back of the Salon.
I agree with most all of NCC1701
But..... I can see Joey's point too....
Why 2-12's in a smart?
Can't imagine.
Hopefully Joey will find another Bass Lover to help him out.
Joey: i think the main point everyone is trying to get at is that not only does the Smart not have the greatest qualities for lots of bass (namely the already mentioned abundance of plastic panels in an air-tight environment), but it just doesn't have the spare space for one or two 12's in the back. Not to mention the fact that the back is where your engine will be..... and i don't think you'd want to be heaving a massive sub box out of your trunk every time you want to get at the engine, which you WILL have to do. I believe this is the primary reason you find the vast majority of people using the under-dash sub.
And don't get me wrong.... i like bass too.... but a reasonable level of bass. If i'm listening to hard rock/metal.... i don't want to hear my ear drums about to burst. I like having the bass resting on that fine line of being roughly the amount of bass you'd expect to hear from the music that's currently playing..... so you can still hear the notes... hear the words.... and have that bass as a backing to give it a bit more punch. It's completely moronic to throw so much bass in a car that you hear nothing but rattle. That's why i liked my Durango, and why i hated getting rid of it prior to getting my smart. The dual 12" or 10" subs i had in the back sounded GREAT.... they could be throwing out quite a bit of bass, and the only thing that would be heard on the outside were the little baffles moving. You could hardly even hear the music playing inside the car from outside the car, unless a window or door was open. I'd put the box in my Smart, but like i said.... the ability to access the engine compartment comes first.
Also.... If you're looking to spend money on stuff... why not just get some nice 6.5's that can do every range. I put a set of Hertz HSK-165 2-way speakers in my Smart, and they sound quite good. They can do lows quite well, and have the tweeters for the high's. Now... they were $400 speakers.... but i don't really think cheap tweets and woofers with expensive subs make a great system. If i had an under-dash sub, i'd probably be perfectly happy with the sound. sadly, that'll have to wait a bit longer.
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