browns gas/HHO. Does it work?

[Smart pizzaguy]

Does anyone have any experience using "Browns gas" to increase fuel economy? I've read a little about it but an looking for someone that has tried it before I consider converting my Suburban. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

[smarticus]

I've never heard of it , what is it?

[Smart pizzaguy]

There's alot of websites claiming to increase fuel economy 20-50% here's a link of one of them. I'm not condoning anything this site may be selling, as there are a bunch of websites selling basically the same. Just wanted to know if there is much risk of damage being done and any validity of the claims.

http://www.brownsgas.com/allyouneedt...uelsavers.html

[John_H]

The claims on some of these sites are silly. "If your alternator is turning anyway, the electricity used to generate the Brown gas is FREE!" Bunk. You use about 1/6 watt to generate less chemical energy in the oxygen/hydrogen mixture. Although hydrogen is strong stuff, there's no more energy in it than what was taken out.

What might work out for a difference in mileage is that the air and gasoline mist is combined with a little hydrogen. This could alter the efficiency of the spark allowing a leaner burn. But if 2-3 liters per minute of "Brown gas" is consumed and
the displacement of the engine is 1 liter, at 2-3000 rpm you use 0.1% brown gas (or am I off by a factor of 2 in the 4-stroke?). It doesn't sound like a 0.1% mixture will do much of anything.

I'm an engineer who would like for some better energy situations to come about but there is rarely anything that does more than a very minor tweak. I've played with ideas for unusual heat engines or Tesla pumps and turbines but never prototyped them. I have enough knowledge to be dangerous but not expert. I've never seen arguments for Brown gas that are more than high-school electrolysis experiments.

- John_H

[helidrvr]

What about this one?

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com

They offer a complete conversion manual for under $50.

Disclaimer: Just joining the conversation. I know nothing about this or any similar product.

[Agent 99]

Hold on tight you may be in for a bumpy ride, I asked a similar question see Smart Car of America Forums > Life Beyond Smart > Tech & Gadgets Hydro 4000 Enjoy.

[Smart pizzaguy]

sorry, didn't realize this was just covered. I even tried the search button before posting, just with the wrong keywords.

[Agent 99]

No problem at all, wasn't the exact same thing anyway. Very interesting concept though. Might eventually have my boys try it out with thier beater, 78 Toyota Corrola. Seeing and hearing alot about it and like stories on a number of stations lately. We have at least two in the forum already who hope to try it out.

[valandor]

I actually built one of these systems in my back yard and tested it and saw that these systems do produce "Brown Gas" which in reality is a mixture of Pure hydrogen and Pure oxygen.


Seeing that these systems did produce a gas I decided to buy one from a local company here in Colorado Springs called CoWater4Gas.

When I received my system I kind of chuckled at what they had sent, but decided I would try anything to lower my gas expenses. I follower their instructions on how to install the system, and it took me about 2 hours. They said it would only take 1 hour, but what ever.

My car has a digital meeter on it that tells me the MPG I am getting and how many miles I can go on the amount of gas I have.

I have been running my system for a month now, and I have gone from 22 MPG to 34 MPG in town.

Here in Colorado we eliminated emissions testing last year. The shop down the street from me still had one of their old systems ready to use. I went in and talked with the manager and asked them to run my car twice with their emissions machine. In return I would pay them $40.

The first time they ran my car I had disconnected the power to my HHO Generator. And the second time I reconnected it. They had found that my CO2 emissions had dropped by 23% the second time around.

So as far as me I do believe these systems work, and any so called 13 year old scientist over the net will not change my mind.

Where I bought my system:
bestdeals247 com

Another one that looks good

fuelfromh2o com

[jonnysan]

Originally Posted by John_H

The claims on some of these sites are silly. "If your alternator is turning anyway, the electricity used to generate the Brown gas is FREE!" Bunk. You use about 1/6 watt to generate less chemical energy in the oxygen/hydrogen mixture. Although hydrogen is strong stuff, there's no more energy in it than what was taken out.

What might work out for a difference in mileage is that the air and gasoline mist is combined with a little hydrogen. This could alter the efficiency of the spark allowing a leaner burn. But if 2-3 liters per minute of "Brown gas" is consumed and
the displacement of the engine is 1 liter, at 2-3000 rpm you use 0.1% brown gas (or am I off by a factor of 2 in the 4-stroke?). It doesn't sound like a 0.1% mixture will do much of anything.

I'm an engineer who would like for some better energy situations to come about but there is rarely anything that does more than a very minor tweak. I've played with ideas for unusual heat engines or Tesla pumps and turbines but never prototyped them. I have enough knowledge to be dangerous but not expert. I've never seen arguments for Brown gas that are more than high-school electrolysis experiments.

- John_H

For 12 years I worked on and helped build vehicles that we prototyped with Stirling Engines in the 80's and early 90's for a NASA TU (technology utilization) project thru a private contractor. Road tested them and the AF tested them, too. Ran them on JP-4, unleaded, CNG, diesel and methanol with the flip of a switch to change fuel type.....VERY difficult to extract energy at low cost with them although they were very efficient. (up to 60% Carnot efficient) with emissions numbers decades ahead of their time WITHOUT a catalytic converter. Biggest problem with them....too costly to manufacture due to use of strategic metals containing high cobalt and nickel to withstand the 820 degree C operating temperatures. Very heavy engines, too, due to the need for *heft* to contain the hi pressure H2 working gas.....Neat project to work on, though....