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The Price Of Human Life, According To GM*|*Michael Moore

Think about the GM switch and relate it to our own engine failures, shifters that give 3 bars and fail, crazing glazing that's never fixed and other recurring issues over and over Daimler-Benz never does anything about except on a "case by case" issue.....never a proper, voluntary recall.
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Think about the GM switch and relate it to our own engine failures, shifters that give 3 bars and fail, crazing glazing that's never fixed and other recurring issues over and over Daimler-Benz never does anything about except on a "case by case" issue.....never a proper, voluntary recall.
Apples to oranges - GM switch is a SAFETY issue . . .

When is a recall necessary?
  • When a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment (including tires) does not comply with a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard.
  • When there is a safety-related defect in the vehicle or equipment.
Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards set minimum performance requirements for those parts of the vehicle that most affect its safe operation (brakes, tires, lighting) or that protect drivers and passengers from death or serious injury in the event of a crash (air bags, safety belts, child restraints, energy absorbing steering columns, motorcycle helmets). These Federal Standards are applicable to all vehicles and vehicle-related equipment manufactured or imported for sale in the United States (including U.S. territories) and certified for use on public roads and highways.


Motor Vehicle Defects and Safety Recalls: What Every Vehicle Owner Should Know | Safercar.gov | NHTSA
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Apples to oranges - GM switch is a SAFETY issue . . .

When is a recall necessary?
  • When a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment (including tires) does not comply with a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard.
  • When there is a safety-related defect in the vehicle or equipment.
Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards set minimum performance requirements for those parts of the vehicle that most affect its safe operation (brakes, tires, lighting) or that protect drivers and passengers from death or serious injury in the event of a crash (air bags, safety belts, child restraints, energy absorbing steering columns, motorcycle helmets). These Federal Standards are applicable to all vehicles and vehicle-related equipment manufactured or imported for sale in the United States (including U.S. territories) and certified for use on public roads and highways.


Motor Vehicle Defects and Safety Recalls: What Every Vehicle Owner Should Know | Safercar.gov | NHTSA
So, when it won't shift into reverse, then won't shift into forward, that's not a RECALL ISSUE?! Feed us some more BS why the damned thing is never recalled....
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FACT - I don't make the NHTSA rules and you don't dictate the recalls . . .
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So, when it won't shift into reverse, then won't shift into forward, that's not a RECALL ISSUE?! Feed us some more BS why the damned thing is never recalled....
M'kay, because it isn't 2008 anymore and the vast majority of smarts on the road will never see this issue?

No need for a recall on an issue that affects 1% or less of vehicles.

GM's thing is a safety defect that affects 2,000,000+ vehicles and has lead to the death of 12-303 people. That's not even close to the same thing!
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I always wonder why they wasn't a recall on the the headlamp resistor? That's a safety item.
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Not exactly. If one of your headlights blow out, you're not going to explode in fiery death. Plus, all cars 2010 and later already have said resistors.

The NHTSA considers headlights (like tyres and wipers) to be a wear item as well.

They SHOULD offer those resistors to 2008s and 2009s as a free upgrade (like the 2.0 software), if they don't already.

Has anyone even asked their dealers for said resistors???
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132 bucks worth, at the dealer. Since it a know issue, and safety factor. MB, should have a recall. We lost both head lamps one night. Lucky our car had the fogs. More 08's-09's smarts on the road compared to any other years.
It doesn't need to start on fire, or blow up for a recall. Year date of the vehicle isn't a factor either. I still get recall notices on a 98 Accord, we haven't own in 3 years.

Neon, I got a recall 2 years ago for a lug wrench, on one of our 500's.
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Parts subject to wear-and-tear replacement - like bulbs - aren't going to trigger a recall, unless there is something about the vehicle that is causing them to fail excessively frequently. The charging voltage is normal, the bulbs are industry standard H7 bulbs used on plenty of other vehicles.

On a VW owners group that I'm on, people complain that they burn bulbs frequently, too.

If you don't like the issue, then do something about it yourself. Good quality HID headlamps and LED bulbs will last by far longer than the standard bulbs. The HID replacements officially do not meet DOT standards in this vehicle's application and they are certainly not required by any motor vehicle standard so there is NOT going to be a recall to install those.

The bulbs meet DOT requirements ... so do the reflectors ... the vehicle's charging system isn't doing anything unusual that would shorten bulb life ... deal with it.
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Yup. If it were something like "I put in this brand new bulb and it blew immediately" and it affected like 50% or more of cars, then yeah, it'll definitely be a recall.

But otherwise, the NHTSA will view it as wear and tear and not even be bothered.

A bad lug wrench is a serious safety issue. Improper tightening of bolts can definitely cause **fiery death (or you know, potential for bodily harm)...which is basically what all safety recalls aim to prevent...

**P.S. The term "fiery death" is an inside joke used by the Jalopnik folks in regards to safety recalls.
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