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It's not.

I went through every page of the manual. It tells you to use "Mercedes recommended oil" and does not list the type of oil to use.
Mobil 1 ESP Formula, or Mobil 1 ESP X1, for the 2016 gas smarts. Or you can buy the recommended oil directly from your smart center.

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Mobil 1 ESP Formula, or Mobil 1 ESP X1, for the 2016 gas smarts. Or you can buy the recommended oil directly from your smart center.

You can also submit an inquiry to smart center West Covina if you would like to arrange for pickup (or shipping to your doorstep) of the necessary oil for your car.

Since my post seems to have vanished?

Those are 229.51 oils. I'm afraid those seem to be formulated for diesels with DPF (diesel particulate filter). Mobil advertises the ESP formulation as such, I think, so I posted the link, but I notice it mentions gas vehicles as well, which makes things confusing, but here it's more specific:

https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us...guide-2016.pdf

Bottom of page 2 clearly states developed for diesels with DPF...

M 281 seems to be the correct engine, and I posted the revised 01/2016 list which directs towards 229.5 oils, a list of which qualifies here:

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html

The TBN at 7.6 of the ESP formula is quite low for 10k mi/1 yr change interval in my humble opinion, but...

Anyways, if you're right, then the complete list of 229.51 oils is here:

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.51_en.html

I have not done enough research to suggest which 229.51 is readily available and best....
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Since my post seems to have vanished?

Those are 229.51 oils. I'm afraid those seem to be formulated for diesels with DPF (diesel particulate filter). Mobil advertises the ESP formulation as such, I think, so I posted the link, but I notice it mentions gas vehicles as well, which makes things confusing, but here it's more specific:

https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us...guide-2016.pdf

Bottom of page 2 clearly states developed for diesels with DPF...

M 281 seems to be the correct engine, and I posted the revised 01/2016 list which directs towards 229.5 oils, a list of which qualifies here:

MB 229.5 - Multigrade engine oils (Specification 229.5) - Mercedes-Benz Specifications for Operating Fluids

The TBN at 7.6 of the ESP formula is quite low for 10k mi/1 yr change interval in my humble opinion, but...

Anyways, if you're right, then the complete list of 229.51 oils is here:

MB 229.51 - Low SPAsh multigrade service engine oils (Specification 229.51) - Mercedes-Benz Specifications for Operating Fluids

I have not done enough research to suggest which 229.51 is readily available and best....
Is there a reason you are so passionate about this issue? The required oil can be purchased from any smart center's parts/service department.
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Is there a reason you are so passionate about this issue? The required oil can be purchased from any smart center's parts/service department.

Not passionate. Just don't want issues. Done a lot of research on oils in the past so I kind of know the correct spec is important. In this particular case, somehow I'm afraid the original owners manual may have a typo. It is an important typo from what I know...
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Things may be covered by a warranty at this stage, especially if one purchases their oil from a smart center. (Good idea if you want to "cover your butt"). Possible engine issues from such a different oil spec is my only concern...
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Not passionate. Just don't want issues. Done a lot of research on oils in the past so I kind of know the correct spec is important. In this particular case, somehow I'm afraid the original owners manual may have a typo. It is an important typo from what I know...
If you're that concerned, you can still purchase the correct oil directly from smart's service department. The specs will be written on the bottle. All I need to know as a buyer is whether or not the oil I'm using will meet the specifications. I don't believe there is a misprint, but if you do I suggest you contact smart's customer assistance.

Many oils will do just fine in the car whether they say "229.51" or not. Unless you're being seriously negligent in your engine oil and filter choice and your oil change interval, the chances of you having engine oil caused damage to your engine are slim to none.
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Many oils will do just fine in the car whether they say "229.51" or not. Unless you're being seriously negligent in your engine oil and filter choice and your oil change interval, the chances of you having engine oil caused damage to your engine are slim to none.
Amen!
Many folks obsess about oils. Often they don't even keep the car long enough for it to matter anyway.
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Adding Mobil 1 FS to the approved oils "technicality" list.
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No harm that a member has taken a deeper interest in oil types. I've had Honda, Toyota, and Fiat dealers each try to foist a wrong oil on me, due to their ignorance.
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Well. I don't usually get upset or worried if someone says they don't use the correct spec oil, and they change their oil frequently, or even when one says that they still follow the long interval and their engine is fine. In this case Mercedes has accidentally contradicted itself and should give owners a definitive answer. Kamaal, do you know what the engine designation is? Is it not M 281? And the BEVO sheet says not 229.51....

I think I'm not being clear.

It is my understanding that 229.51 oils are specifically for diesels with diesel particulate filters, and not correct in a gas engine for 10k miles/1 yr. The TBN on the ubiquitous Mobil 1 0W-40, before all the revisions to the 229.5 list, is 12.6, vs 7.6 on the 0W-30 ESP.

I was shocked to read that the manual says 229.51, and am expressing concern. If you see the list with all the engines of Mercedes and associated brands, you'll note that if one engine says 229.5, it does not also say 229.51, and vice versa. Either the manual is mistaken, or the list on BEVO for the M 281.
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