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In some states you will get a ticket if you are running fog lights full time, on a clear night. If it is a foggy night, you're OK. One of those states would be Oregon.
That’s unfortunate, no such law around here.
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That’s unfortunate, no such law around here.

I got the ticket a decade ago. On I-5 running through Oregon. I have a customer who OSP officer. He just told me that this is a 'sub-section' of the fog light laws. It only pertains to multiple lane highways, because of glare issues when behind another car. I still use them every night on our twisty canyon/mountain roads!
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I don't think I have ever seen a BMW in Florida, day or night without the fog lights on.
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While that is an interesting function, why not just leave your fog lights on at night? I do that with each car I have that has fog lights. Makes side road visibility much better, especially on the dark, narrow roads prevalent in our area. Improves safety too.
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We humans are lazy. When the fog lights are on they really illuminate the ground right in front of the car, very well I may add. Because that is more visible we tend to look there instead of ahead down the road.
This makes are reaction time worse should we need to brake.

Have you noticed driving a car with HID's inside really good projectors? Notice how the ground in front of the car is dark/black and the road ahead is well lit? That's good lighting technology.
If you google projector cutoff shield it's interesting how it makes the light stay in one position. Anything above the cutoff is black as night. Anything below is well let. Anything very low is dark/dim (IE: the road just in front of the car)
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I’ve been using fog lights for decades when traveling on narrow, dark roads with lots of wildlife. Never had a problem of not looking far enough down the road because of fog light use. I’ve always been a fanatic about nighttime illumination with my cars. Never installed illegal wattage headlight bulbs but have always sought out bulbs with excellent “down the road” illumination as well as good peripheral illumination.
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LOL! That was BMW'S & Porsches in Cali during the 80's. I think if you owned a gold necklace, using the fog lights was mandatory! ;-)
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I’ve been using fog lights for decades when traveling on narrow, dark roads with lots of wildlife. Never had a problem of not looking far enough down the road because of fog light use. I’ve always been a fanatic about nighttime illumination with my cars. Never installed illegal wattage headlight bulbs but have always sought out bulbs with excellent “down the road” illumination as well as good peripheral illumination.
I am glad someone mentioned this. It's not a conscious thing. Sub-consciously it happens. To everyone. Young and old. There was an article I am having trouble finding in 2014 from the IIHS or NHSTA (can't remember) that started testing lights on vehicles. It's our brain simply NOTICING in our peripheral that the light on the ground right in front of the car is nice and bright.
Think of a horse with blinders on. What the horse doesn't see won't hurt him/scare him. Same with us humans. The more light we "turn off" in front of the vehicle the better we will focus and see down the road ahead.
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I feel like this is now the reason why the fogs on a 453 act the way they do. Which is odd. With my 2009 Brabus, I could have the fogs and high beams on at the same time. No idea why, but was nice if you wanted to have a "Wall-of-Light" feeling as you were going down the road. Now, with the 453, Every time i turn the highs on, the fogs turn off. Turn the low beams back on, fogs are still off. So every time i use the high beams, even just to flash mine at someone who has theirs on, the fogs turn off permanently. Main reason i barely ever use the fogs in my 453.
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I feel like this is now the reason why the fogs on a 453 act the way they do. Which is odd. With my 2009 Brabus, I could have the fogs and high beams on at the same time. No idea why, but was nice if you wanted to have a "Wall-of-Light" feeling as you were going down the road. Now, with the 453, Every time i turn the highs on, the fogs turn off. Turn the low beams back on, fogs are still off. So every time i use the high beams, even just to flash mine at someone who has theirs on, the fogs turn off permanently. Main reason i barely ever use the fogs in my 453.
Fair point. Every car I've owned that has been a 2014 or newer has been like this as well.
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My 1989 Ford SHO, 1992 Mitsubishi 3000 vr4 and my 1996 Chrysler T&C all would turn off the fog lights when the high beams are on.
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