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Question NEW gasoline smarts (453)

Theoretically... if a new gasoline-powered smart 453 coupe w/ DCT were available, never registered or titled, how much would it be worth in your opinions, taking into account no more gas smarts are being imported to the US? Not talking about leases.

$ X,XXX over original MSRP?
Equal to Original MSRP?
$ X,XXX less than original MSRP?
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IMHO, as much as its auction or trade in value at this point. At least that's what the dealers always mention when discussing car values around here.
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Hard to make a comparison to an auction/ trade-in value when a new car would have no history or wear & tear like a trade would. Cars lose value when registered and driven off the lot. Trade/auction values are misleading since so few dealers know anything about smart.

If a smart ICE hadn't been registered/titled and was new, what would it retail for today to a customer if there were no MSRP to reference? What would you pay for a new gas smart if you had the chance?
Put another way, what would have been a "fair" price to pay for a new 453 ICE when they were available? Forget what the MSRP/incentive pricing that smartUSA developed for the cars- at what price would/could smart have sold more ICE 453? Take a middle of the road, automatic passion for example.
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Hard to say. The original 451 pure was under $12K in 2008, and my 2011 passion listed for $17K - much more than that is probably more than the market today would bear, considering the competition in the $19-20K range. Just a guess since I'm not in the car business. A real smart enthusiast might be willing to pay sticker price, though.....
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$ X,XXX less than original MSRP!

BUT, what MY new 453 ICE coupe (Pure or ?) are we theorizing? Pre or post U.S. standard BU camera?

Cars (smart ICE) also lose value when orphaned!
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For the sake of argument, say a 2017 453 ICE coupe DCT passion without rear camera. If not worth original MSRP, how much more or less than the MSRP would you pay today for one that was never titled? Will there be a collector's market for the smart in the future? Will the used 453 ICE models find a steady market and hold their value at a certain price point for years to come? If so, where ($8k? 10K? 12k? 14k?) Or will they see drastic drops in value continue until absolutely worthless?

Having sold in such small numbers in the US, I'm curious what enthusiasts think the future value will be for used smarts and a hypothetical new, never titled smart ICE DCT that somebody may or may not be holding onto...
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In my opinion, I don't think the smart will be a collector's car for the long, foreseeable future. I mean, maybe in 50 years, but is it worth it to keep one in pristine condition for that long? I think it's also kind of instructional to look at how similar cars have fared. Like maybe the Scion IQ. That car stopped production a few years back and at least in this area, there is no hint of collectability. Prices seem fairly decent for used models, probably because they share ease of parking with smarts but have an infinitely better dealer network. And even the Aston Martin Cygnet version doesn't seem to be that much in demand. So IMO any price at or above MSRP because of the car's collectability is going to appeal to very, very few people.

So that leaves people for whom a smart works because of its size, and in need of more range than the EQ version provides. But that market has already been seemingly saturated when the ICE model was on sale, and now this new ICE is competing against all of the used ICE vehicles that have come on the market. So compared to a low mileage, excellent example, this new ICE primarily is better due to longer factory warranty coverage. So, my opinion is that this may be worth what the most pristine example of a low mileage 2017 ICE is, plus $1-2k.
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Without factory incentives spurring artificially low interest rates and lease offers, I'd expect fetching between $10k on the base side to about $17k on the loaded side for coupes. Probably $16k to $19k for cabriolets.
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I doubt common smarts will ever be a true collector car, and I'm someone who basically intends on opening a museum of them one day. Even "desirable" models like a Canadian 450 cdi only command twice whatever their value would be in Canada. A $3k CAD cdi only becomes $6k once it crosses the border and that's not even because of the rarity of a cdi in the US.

The only smarts appreciating in value are extremely low mile factory stock crossblades and one day we may see the rarer roadsters/Brabus builds follow suit. I have no doubt that the only people in the US who would be willing to pay more than sticker for a "brand new" 2017 30 years from now would be crazy like me.
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The only smarts appreciating in value are extremely low mile factory stock crossblades and one day we may see the rarer roadsters/Brabus builds follow suit.
AND the handful of 451 "Tailor Made" by Brabus - some were smartUSA show cars and others, "special" builds.

Yes, shoulda - coulda bought that beautiful preowned Tailor Made!
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