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New 2014 fortwo specs reported: 6sp full MT/7sp dual-clutch anyone?

I'm not sure what to think about the "Renault pulls out" statement since we've known that Renault decided to only pursue the forfour/Twingo venture for a while now. So, that's nothing really newsworthy. However, the detail of the specifications is interesting.


Smart Fortwo (2014): Renault pull out, Daimler goes alone

It might have been love at first sight, but in the course of 2012 the relationship between Daimler and Renault/Nissan went through plenty of troubled water. Consider for instance the third-generation Smart Fortwo, which no longer features a Renault-badged twin.

Having spent a small fortune on new electric car projects like Twizy and Zoe (not to mention Fluence ZE and Kangoo ZE), the French pulled out of the Fortwo programme to save money and manpower. As a result, the Germans must go this one alone, which ain't easy since Project Edison is overweight and over budget.

In the course of the model changeover due in early 2014, the microcar's CO2 footprint actually increases from 86 to 99g/km. How come? Because the diesel variant bites the dust. It will be replaced by a normally aspirated 65bhp 0.9-litre three-cylinder petrol unit which is of course less economical.

Also on the way out is the Smart's jumping sequential transmission. Instead, you get a manual six-speeder. Those who prefer to give the left hoof a rest must spend about €2000 on the new seven-speed twin-clutch gearbox. The other two available engines are turbocharged threes rated at 85 and 105bhp.

The new Fortwo is not exactly an aestethic improvement over the current car. Although it retains the contrasting Tridion safety cell and the optional two-tone paint, the design looks frumpy and contrived according to those who've seen the finished styling bucks.

While the overall length increases by only 30mm to 2730mm [1.2 inch increase], the width goes up from 1750 to 1870mm [4.7 inch increase]. This move may improve the directional stability, but it is counter-productive in tight urban driving and parking conditions. Perhaps copying the proportions of the unsuccessful Toyota iQ was not such a good idea after all.

Like the exterior, the funky and functional cabin has also been redesigned from scratch. Worth a closer look are the eight-button steering-wheel, the air-con panel operated by practical slide controls, and the removable in-dash tablet which mixes mini iPad, smartphone and sat-nav elements. Still there and almost unchanged are the four round air vents and the trademark rev-counter at the foot of the driver-side A-post.

Only three months after the coup, Smart will launch the Fortwo Cabriolet and the e-smart powered by a 88bhp Bosch motor fed by a battery stack supplied by Accumotive.

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they are going the wrong direction -- should have been more like a T-25. I didn't see anything that would make me want one over the current model.
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The article shows no sources and yet another artist's rendering.

Considering they're only using mules right now I don't know how the author knows how it looks inside and out.

Like with all new cars, all of these magazine "reports" are no more than speculation and rumors, sorta like tabloids sadly.

And of course, the obvious indicator of this not being an accurate article is the statement that Renault is backing out. That would be strange since this platform was intended to be the successor of their madly successful Twingo. And even if Renault backed out it wouldn't mean Mercedes is at it alone. Nissan was also a part of the merger for parts too (engine).
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The article shows no sources and yet another artist's rendering.

Considering they're only using mules right now I don't know how the author knows how it looks inside and out.

Like with all new cars, all of these magazine "reports" are no more than speculation and rumors, sorta like tabloids sadly.

And of course, the obvious indicator of this not being an accurate article is the statement that Renault is backing out. That would be strange since this platform was intended to be the successor of their madly successful Twingo. And even if Renault backed out it wouldn't mean Mercedes is at it alone. Nissan was also a part of the merger for parts too (engine).
Me thinks it's a little truth mixed with a little omission to make a juicier headline. It's true that Renault decided not to pursue a fortwo equivalent and dropped their support of that piece of the program, but from everything we've heard they are still neck deep in development of the forfour/Twingo. So, a little truth to the headline to imply something that isn't necessarily true.

I agree that everything is rumor and speculation at this point, but this article does seem to have more specifics than one would associate with pure rumor. The dimensions, engine details, transmission options, rollout timing of the cabrio and electric models, etc. seems to be fairly specific for someone writing on what a friend of a friend of friend that works at MB said. So, there may be some substance to the specs.

However, I do hope the renderings are incorrect. The concepts have looked better.
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I'm not sure what to think about the "Renault pulls out" statement since we've known that Renault decided to only pursue the forfour/Twingo venture for a while now. So, that's nothing really newsworthy.

Those who prefer to give the left hoof a rest must spend about 2000 on the new seven-speed twin-clutch gearbox.
Don't think that MB/Renault have gone off the "fiscal cliff" as the spinster (writer) would suggest.

Probably not the slow motion train wreck suggested by the article. Must agree, some fiction some facts but still months away from The Reality.

Hard to imagine that the "upgrade" to the new 7-speed twin-clutch gearbox would cost $2,639 US? :eek:
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And the real question to be answered is which engine comes to the states, or do we only get the wimpy one!
If they are going to attract me, it is going to have to be the big turbo, and maybe Brabus will unfrump the design like they did with the present one. One can only hope.
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Some may say it's COOL... But what I think their up to is making a "REAL" Clown car for "REAL CLOWN'S"...!!! At least our car was Cute & Funky... But thats just plan FUNKY for FUNK SAKE... We should get a VOTE on a new design before it gets the go ahead...!!!
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I like the looks of that one better than the other renderings, but it is a bit tortured.
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If it comes with a clutch, I'll seriously consider buying one.
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Comes with two clutches.
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