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Our '16 Passion came with dissimilar-sized Conti's. The ride sucked and they wore out pronto.


Went with 195/55R15 Road Huggers all around from Discount. Kept the stock wheels.


Much better handling, ride, noise level.


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Our '16 Passion came with dissimilar-sized Conti's. The ride sucked and they wore out pronto.


Went with 195/55R15 Road Huggers all around from Discount. Kept the stock wheels.


Much better handling, ride, noise level.

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Did you put the 195/55r15 on the 4 1/2 inch rims which are on the front. My tire comparison chart shows the 195/55r15 to be 7.68 wide, while the stock 165/654r15 stock tires show to be 6.5 wide and the rear stock 185/60r15 show to be 7.65 wide and they are on 5 1/2 inch rims. How did the 195/55r15 look and fit on the 4 1/2 inch rims? I would like to put same size all the way around.. Only my rear tires are wore past the ware marks. Only 22,000 miles.
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As I said we kept the stock wheels. They look just fine, a little bigger than stock.



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What are the tire options for a 2016 smart fortwo prime with 185/60r15 on back and 165/65r15 on front. The rear tires are easy to find but the front are difficult. Can I run the same on the front, the 185/60r15, on the front.
The standard rims for the 165/65R15 front tires are 5Jx15 ET32 and the standard rims for the 185/60R15 rear tires are 5.5Jx15 ET42.

5Jx15 ET32
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-4003#20841146

5.5Jx15 ET42
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-4004#20841130

The PCD on these rims is 4x100mm and the central bore is 60.1mm.

The earlier 451 model came with 4.5Jx15 ET23.5 front rims and 5.5Jx15 ET22 rear rims. The later 453 model never came with rims narrower than 5".

On the 453, instead of the standard 165/65R15 front tires and 185/60R15 rear tires there are a number of options open to you. One option is to fit 185/55R15 tires to the standard 5" wide front rims and 205/50R15 tires to the standard 5.5" wide rear rims.

Vredestein Quatrac 5
185/55R15 82H

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

Vredestein Quatrac 5
205/50R15 86H

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

Another option is 175/65R15 front tires and 195/60R15 rear tires.

Vredestein Quatrac 5
175/65R15 84H

https://www.vulcantire.com/cgi-bin/t...quatrac5_s.cst

Vredestein Quatrac 5
195/60R15 88H

https://www.vulcantire.com/cgi-bin/t...quatrac5_s.cst
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The standard rims for the 165/65R15 front tires are 5Jx15 ET32 and the standard rims for the 185/60R15 rear tires are 5.5Jx15 ET42.

5Jx15 ET32
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-4003#20841146

5.5Jx15 ET42
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-4004#20841130

The PCD on these rims is 4x100mm and the central bore is 60.1mm.

The earlier 451 model came with 4.5Jx15 ET23.5 front rims and 5.5Jx15 ET22 rear rims. The later 453 model never came with rims narrower than 5".

On the 453, instead of the standard 165/65R15 front tires and 185/60R15 rear tires there are a number of options open to you. One option is to fit 185/55R15 tires to the standard 5" wide front rims and 205/50R15 tires to the standard 5.5" wide rear rims.

Vredestein Quatrac 5
185/55R15 82H

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

Vredestein Quatrac 5
205/50R15 86H

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

Another option is 175/65R15 front tires and 195/60R15 rear tires.

Vredestein Quatrac 5
175/65R15 84H

https://www.vulcantire.com/cgi-bin/t...quatrac5_s.cst

Vredestein Quatrac 5
195/60R15 88H

https://www.vulcantire.com/cgi-bin/t...quatrac5_s.cst

Big453 I was under the impression that the 453 prime had 4.5 x 15 front rims. My front Continental are in good shape with only 23,000 but the rear are worn down past the wear marks. I found the Continental 185/60r15 on sale for 73.00 so I was thinking of replacing the rear and run the front a few more miles. That is the same size that came on the rear. If I have 5 x 15 on front I would consider putting the same size all around. Would that affect the anti skid or whatever it is called?
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Big453 I was under the impression that the 453 prime had 4.5 x 15 front rims. My front Continental are in good shape with only 23,000 but the rear are worn down past the wear marks. I found the Continental 185/60r15 on sale for 73.00 so I was thinking of replacing the rear and run the front a few more miles. That is the same size that came on the rear. If I have 5 x 15 on front I would consider putting the same size all around. Would that affect the anti skid or whatever it is called?
The 451 had 4.5Jx15 ET23.5 front rims with 155/60R15 tires and 5.5Jx15 ET22 rear rims with 175/55R15 tires.

4.5Jx15 ET23.5 PCD:3x112mm Central bore:57.1mm
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-7820#20791480

5.5Jx15 ET22 PCD:3x112mm Central bore:57.1mm
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-7830#20630830

I have tried using the same size tires all round on an early Smart pre-2003. These early cars didn't have modern ESP electronics. In the dry they were fine, as the front camber would cause the car to understeer when on the limit. However, in the wet or other slippery conditions, it would be possible to lose the back end particularly in an emergency situation. The ForTwo is a short wheelbase car with a rear weight bias, so losing the back end can happen very suddenly. Modern ESP electronics should brake individual wheels to prevent this happening.

If you want to use the same size tires all round on the 453, you could use the standard rims, or four front rims, or four rear rims. 185/60R15 tires will fit the 5Jx15 front rims and the 5.5Jx15 rear rims. My preference would be to use the original rims ie. 5Jx15 ET32 front rims and 5.5Jx15 ET42 rear rims, or rims from the Renault Twingo 2014 onwards car which has 5Jx15 ET38 front rims and 5.5Jx15 ET36 rear rims. By using Renault Twingo 2014 onwards rims, you are moving each front wheel 6mm inwards and each rear wheel 6mm outwards in comparison to the standard 453 rims, due to the difference offsets. ET stands for Einpress Tiefe which is a German word and means offset. The Renault Twingo 2014 onwards rims are almost identical to the 453 rims except that they are black instead of silver and have difference offsets.

Renault Twingo 2014 onwards front rim 5Jx15 ET38
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-4001#20630302

Renault Twingo 2014 onwards rear rim 5.5Jx15 ET36
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-4002#20630303

The Smart Roadster 452 used the same size tires all round, but always used front rims that were 0.5" to 1" narrow than the rear rims. For this reason, I would be inclined to use 5" front rims and 5.5" rear rims if using the same size tires all round, rather than the same width rims all round.

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The 451 had 4.5Jx15 ET23.5 front rims with 155/60R15 tires and 5.5Jx15 ET22 rear rims with 175/55R15 tires.

4.5Jx15 ET23.5 PCD:3x112mm Central bore:57.1mm
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-7820#20791480

5.5Jx15 ET22 PCD:3x112mm Central bore:57.1mm
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-7830#20630830

I have tried using the same size tires all round on an early Smart pre-2003. These early cars didn't have modern ESP electronics. In the dry they were fine, as the front camber would cause the car to understeer when on the limit. However, in the wet or other slippery conditions, it would be possible to lose the back end particularly in an emergency situation. The ForTwo is a short wheelbase car with a rear weight bias, so losing the back end can happen very suddenly. Modern ESP electronics should brake individual wheels to prevent this happening.

If you want to use the same size tires all round on the 453, you could use the standard rims, or four front rims, or four rear rims. 185/60R15 tires will fit the 5Jx15 front rims and the 5.5Jx15 rear rims. My preference would be to use the original rims ie. 5Jx15 ET32 front rims and 5.5Jx15 ET42 rear rims, or rims from the Renault Twingo 2014 onwards car which has 5Jx15 ET38 front rims and 5.5Jx15 ET36 rear rims. By using Renault Twingo 2014 onwards rims, you are moving each front wheel 6mm inwards and each rear wheel 6mm outwards in comparison to the standard 453 rims, due to the difference offsets. ET stands for Einpress Tiefe which is a German word and means offset. The Renault Twingo 2014 onwards rims are almost identical to the 453 rims except that they are black instead of silver and have difference offsets.

Renault Twingo 2014 onwards front rim 5Jx15 ET38
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-4001#20630302

Renault Twingo 2014 onwards rear rim 5.5Jx15 ET36
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel...-4002#20630303

The Smart Roadster 452 used the same size tires all round, but always used front rims that were 0.5" to 1" narrow than the rear rims. For this reason, I would be inclined to use 5" front rims and 5.5" rear rims if using the same size tires all round, rather than the same width rims all round.

Big453 you about the most knowledgeable person on the tires and rims on a 453 that I have ever talked to, thanks for all that great information. I plan to print that last post and put it in my book. Great Infomation
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