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post #21 of 28 (permalink) Old 08-01-2012, 07:12 AM
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Just out of curiousity;

What vehicles ARE on the "Prohibited" list for SCCA?

I checked the SCCA rule book.

"Vehicles with a SSF less than 1.30 should not be permitted to compete in our Solo® events due to their higher risk of roll over.

As an alternative to SSF, the U.S. Department of Transportation Rollover Rating may be considered as a criterion for acceptability. A model with a rollover rating of 14% or less is considered acceptable."

anybody know (or can find out) what the "Rollover Rating" is for a smart? (I tried the DOT, NHTSA, and safercars.gov but couldn't fing it?)

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SCCA's a bunch of sea lawyers anyway. See if you can find an event run by NASA or a local club.
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As an alternative to SSF, the U.S. Department of Transportation Rollover Rating may be considered as a criterion for acceptability. A model with a rollover rating of 14% or less is considered acceptable."

anybody know (or can find out) what the "Rollover Rating" is for a smart? (I tried the DOT, NHTSA, and safercars.gov but couldn't fing it?)
For rollover resistance, the ForTwo earned three stars. According to NHTSA's tests, it has 21% chance of rolling over in a crash.

From: Smart crash tests show weak points - Apr. 3, 2008

Looks like SCCA will be a no go for us.

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For rollover resistance, the ForTwo earned three stars. According to NHTSA's tests, it has 21% chance of rolling over in a crash.

From: Smart crash tests show weak points - Apr. 3, 2008

Looks like SCCA will be a no go for us.

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There is a big difference from being in a crash and rolling over, and driving around traffic cones on a flat smooth surface !!

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There is a big difference from being in a crash and rolling over, and driving around traffic cones on a flat smooth surface !!

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Though this is certainly true, it still suggests though the smart may be 'safe' in a rollover, the odds are one in five she's going over! And though it's true that it could be drive in a way that lowers that risk, in fact, this is a race (timed event), so people are going to be focused on going fast and getting a good time. Personally, I'd say let them do it, since it has good rollover protection, but you KNOW if one goes over it will have a hundred thousand hits on u-tube in less than a week!:eek:
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Though this is certainly true, it still suggests though the smart may be 'safe' in a rollover, the odds are one in five she's going over! And though it's true that it could be drive in a way that lowers that risk, in fact, this is a race (timed event), so people are going to be focused on going fast and getting a good time. Personally, I'd say let them do it, since it has good rollover protection, but you KNOW if one goes over it will have a hundred thousand hits on u-tube in less than a week!:eek:

I agree, but I feel I have enough experience and skill that if it started to get too tippy, I would back down a little. (OR, I could start my own Joey Chitwood show) :eek:

SCCA techs can allow vehicles to run if they want to....

I autocrossed my BMW Isetta 300 with a 750 V4 Magna transplant. The local SCCA knew that I was famous (infamous) for showing up with something unique. They allowed me to run even though it would normally be turned away (short wheelbase, very narrow rear track, and fairly tall.) They also knew that I know how to drive and I have common sense. I just wanted to get some photos of the car running the course, but it felt pretty stable (for an Isetta), so I pushed it a little harder each run....My friend got a pic where you could see daylight under the inside front wheel on a turn (like Krusty), but ultimately a broken pillar bearing in the transfer case ended my Autocross fun.

I later entered a Australian built Goggomobil 300cc Sedan, (fiberglass body vs steel for German built), in a two day event (Pro Solo), They had their own tech people, and they did not like a swing-axle car with positive camber all around. I brought documents showing that Goggos have positive camber from the factory, and that they also had an impressive rally history beating vehicles up to 1,000cc. They allowed me to run, but they watched me very carefully ! I was THE slowest car there, but I had the most fun !

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Nice video, but we don't get to see the after crash assessment... Plus, it's a 450, and the likelihood of this happening in an autocross is slim to none as the cars are running in the same direction (and would anyone actually autocross an E-Class?)
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