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06-12-2019 11:42 AM
Miss Mercedes Thanks for the advice! Based on the experiences of others I'm just going to do the Tesla ED suspension. I already have the parts and my car's suspension is worn out anyway.

I really wanted to get a really broken 451 for this that I can go all Mad Max with, but even non-runners cost $2k in my area.
06-12-2019 10:38 AM
DreamCarOwner Just one more thing to note Miss Mercedes. The bolts that came with my kit were the wrong pitch. I stripped one trying it. I had to replace the bolts. It seems the size provided was 125 and I needed 150. Could be vise versa I'm not remembering well. But be cautious if they are hard to thread in. They should thread in easy.
06-12-2019 10:32 AM
DreamCarOwner Just be careful if you try to raise the suspension more than 2 inches with the Daystar kit. Any more will articulate your axles too much and they will break or pull loose. I did Daystar and I am on my 2nd axle seal. My axles seem to be bent about as far as they dare go and I know they are going to wear out soon. 53,000 miles 451 passion. DCO
05-30-2019 11:54 AM
Miss Mercedes Added another Gambler 500 notch to my belt!

Gambler 500 round 2! I keep saying that I'll stop beating Tucker offroad...but it never works out like that. The original plan was to offroad a Honda Elite 150D.

It (the scooter) survived 160 miles rock, sand, mud, water crossings, jumps, gravel, and wide open throttle... That’s how long Imperator Slowiosa III survived. I also experienced my first real motorcycle crash, too.

I was riding on a forest trail/road somehow consisting of extremely loose sand (or something like it?). It was like riding on ice. However, so long as I kept a slow pace it was okay. Unfortunately, my team didn’t notice my slowing down and they basically kept full speed ahead.

To catch up (and to ease my nerves) I decided to ride on the sides of the trail, which consisted of dirt and grass that I could get much more speed with. Well, at some point those grassy sides narrowed to just a couple feet wide with the sand to one side and trees to the other. At some point, the grass was no longer level with the sandy center. This wasn’t a problem until I encountered a rocky, rutty portion of the trail where the grass I was riding on had a 10ft drop down into the ruts below. I target fixated and at roughly 15-20mph I rode off the grass and ten feet down into the rocks.

Like with crashing the Ruckus last year I tried to jump away from the scooter as it happened. My hands (wearing cheap $10 gloves) and my left knee took the entirety of the fall. Hands were fine (gloves only got light scratching) but my knee was bleeding. Well, a dress and yoga pants definitely aren’t good riding gear!

The front wheel broke most of the scooter’s fall, with the dashboard taking the rest of the force, breaking the windshield and taking out both mirrors.

The little smartie carried on the torch and rocked offroad per the usual. It took on mud, changes in terrain so sharp I was on two wheels, and climbs greater than the car should realistically be climbing. It further broke my ABS (it now fails at 40mph instead of 50), but otherwise the car came out on top! I even participated in tug of war matches against various challengers. I absolutely decimated a rally prepped Ford Festiva, almost pulled away a Chevy Malibu, and knocked down ten men like they were bowling pins.

The car also remains an extremely proficient tow vehicle. In the 400 mile tow down I stuck at a sustained 70-80 mph. The car returned roughly 30 mpg and temps stayed in the norms.

02-26-2019 11:54 AM
Miss Mercedes
Originally Posted by Richnjohn View Post
I contacted Daystar about a lift kit for the 453 but they don't have plans for making one. Does anyone know if the ED springs from a 453 would achieve the same result? I'd like to raise the car 1 to 2 inches.
Probably not.

The springs I have from the 451 were from the Phase II Tesla battery powered prototypes. The Phase III 451 EDs have a different suspension (rumored to be the Brabus suspension) that when applied to an ICE probably wouldn't change ride height.

If you really want to lift a 453, you can always stick rubber spacers into the springs or maybe even make a sort of hockey puck lift.

Speaking of this project...I did sort of achieve my end game with it!

Sadly, due to how harsh offroading is on various parts, this navigational rally was a one time deal for this car. Ultimately I will do more offroading in a smart, but it won't be my beloved original 451.
02-26-2019 09:13 AM
Richnjohn I contacted Daystar about a lift kit for the 453 but they don't have plans for making one. Does anyone know if the ED springs from a 453 would achieve the same result? I'd like to raise the car 1 to 2 inches.
09-14-2018 09:42 AM
Miss Mercedes Wanted to give an update on this project. So this is still my "flagship" project and if I'm honest, I've temporarily shelved it. My big problem is that I want to keep Tucker going as long as possible. I know that there may come a day I ask that car to do something it simply cannot. So far trekking across entire states while towing trailers so close to its weight hasn't killed it, however maybe this project will. At least when you're towing a trailer you are on smooth ground. Further, I've realized that further changing tyre sizes and lifting it will hurt its ability to tow trailers.

I amended the plan to require a donor smart, preferably a 2008 with some damage. This way I can offroad the bugger and not feel bad if/when it gets beat up.

With that said, in two weeks I will be attending the Gambler 500 Navigational Rally. The vehicle I have for the Gambler is a Chinese scooter. I fear I won't be able to get it running in time and I'll have to be forced to run Tucker. If that happens, I'll move forward with my offroad build and make probably the first Overland smart in the world. Stay tuned, things may get really fun real quickly!

10-23-2017 06:12 AM
oscarlqw I am looking forward to seeing your build!
10-22-2017 10:26 PM
Mike T Watch for weird suspension geometry after all that!
10-22-2017 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Miss Mercedes View Post
Update on this project:

I just purchased my first part of the lift kit, the 2011 ED springs and shocks. These will give me 2-3 inches in lift alone, and that's before the 2 inch Daystar lift gets involved.
The ED springs and shocks are good for that much? That's good to know.
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