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05-03-2009 08:18 PM
RussBarnes
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Originally Posted by 24-42 View Post
Russ;
I'm just curious, I have a 450 and have the 34/78 Optima.
On the floor, about 4" from the old battery's NEG post, there is a 6mm stud that was where the NEG cable grounded to the chassis. On the floor about 4" to the right of the POS post is an identical stud protruding from the floor.

I just switched the NEG cable to the upper stud when installing the Optima.

My question is: does the 451 have the stud near the POS post like the 450 ?

BTW: The 'Robustness' of the Optima as opposed to the OEM battery is readily apparent.
Mine is almost two years old and shows NO signs of degradation.

Also, if you ever need warranty on the Optima, I'm pretty sure there will be a Optima dealer closer than a Smart dealer.

Cheers
Donald LaFavor
Don,

I had read your comments and expected to find the same on my 451 and there are also three studs, but not where you described: The original is slightly to the rear of the original negative battery post and that was where I connected my new ground cable. The second option was to use the stud that is used for the hold down strap and that would have had the right length but might have worked loose and lose ground. The third stud was on the opposite side and a little closer to the front, but still about an inch from letting the original ground cable work without being stretched too tight.

The other thing was the hold down clamp had a 90-degree angle that was used to locate the stock battery. It wouldn't let me clamp down the strap without putting a lot of pressure on a thin edge of steel, plus I'm not sure it would have worked and if I had bent it up then the clamp would not have exerted any pressure on the battery so I made a shim from some poly I had. It did the trick and let me use the stock clamp and when tightened all the way it was just right to stop the movement of the battery. I could have used a piece of wood, but happened to have a big piece of black poly to fabricate a shim from that won't absorb water.

Russ
05-03-2009 06:09 PM
SmartDigger Not sure what the number is but, I it is the new bigger battery
05-03-2009 12:36 PM
2442
Optima

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Originally Posted by RussBarnes View Post
Rich,
Russ;
I'm just curious, I have a 450 and have the 34/78 Optima.
On the floor, about 4" from the old battery's NEG post, there is a 6mm stud that was where the NEG cable grounded to the chassis. On the floor about 4" to the right of the POS post is an identical stud protruding from the floor.

I just switched the NEG cable to the upper stud when installing the Optima.

My question is: does the 451 have the stud near the POS post like the 450 ?

BTW: The 'Robustness' of the Optima as opposed to the OEM battery is readily apparent.
Mine is almost two years old and shows NO signs of degradation.

Also, if you ever need warranty on the Optima, I'm pretty sure there will be a Optima dealer closer than a Smart dealer.

Cheers
Donald LaFavor
05-03-2009 12:01 PM
pokeyrider Does anybody know if the 2009 Smart's now being delivered to the dealers have the Interstate MTP-H8 installed?
05-03-2009 11:40 AM
lebikerboy +1 on the Optima...
05-03-2009 09:59 AM
RussBarnes
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Originally Posted by Rich M View Post
Forgot to mention in my previous post, that once a battery is pulled all the way down, and held in that condition for a period of time (not long) often a cell or cells will be weaken. This will result in the pull down period being shorter and shorter until it won't hold a charge at all. Bitter experience has taught me that once a battery is pulled down, its a good idea to start looking for a replacement, if its in a vehicle you need to depend on.
Rich,

Amen to that. My battery had lost a charge back in January and the starter would just click the solenoid. I recharged it and drove the car several times until about late March. We went on vacation for a few weeks in April and when I tried to start the car last week it was stone-cold-DEAD!. I have a solid state charger with battery reconditioning and it has brought back several batteries to use again, but no matter what it wouldn't restore this baby.

I know the 2.0 Check (???recall???) would replace the weak (cheap?) battery and it does the shift change, but mine shifts fine for me and why spend 6 hours and waste a day round trip driving for another inferior battery design? This weekend I went to Sam's and bought a Optima so I don't have to go through this again. Plus, I don't have to install some form of secondary charger system and pull the darn floor all apart to check the water.

I bought the $139 series 78 and there is plenty of space for the side terminals to not touch anything. Rather than searching for the 34R, I thought I would go with the red top that 3 of the local Sam's stocked. I did have to reverse the positive cable (plenty of length and easy) and I made a new ground cable for about $8 from AZ parts. I also needed a shim under the hold down clamp, but it is a pretty great fit for a 1000 AH battery. I have a lot more confidence in AGM batteries than wet cell and now I should be good to go for many, many years. And the Styrofoam floor can stay in place......
05-03-2009 07:51 AM
Rich M Forgot to mention in my previous post, that once a battery is pulled all the way down, and held in that condition for a period of time (not long) often a cell or cells will be weakend. This will result in the pulldown period being shorter and shorter until it won't hold a charge at all. Bitter experience has taught me that once a battery is pulled down, its a good idea to start looking for a replacement, if its in a vehicle you need to depend on.
05-03-2009 05:00 AM
Rich M I have 9 battery maintainers on various cars, motorcycles, tractors, and generators at my home in New York. I have 5 on various cars motorcycles and a generator here in Florida. Depending on the amount of electronic memory the unit has will affect how quickly the battery will go down. My Lexus SC430 is the fastest to go dead, a little under 2 weeks, some of my older cars will last a number of months.
I buy the battery maintainers that Walmart sells for less than 20 bucks.
When my Smart arrives in mid June it will be wired on asap.
05-02-2009 11:57 PM
saronian I haven't had any battery problems with the smart, but have been using the Save-A-Battery Charger, Maintainer, Conditioner with our non-smart car and it is outstanding. Highly recommended for people who may have a car that sits 2-3 weeks without use. I particularly like their cabling system.
03-23-2009 07:08 PM
foxmajik A free battery change comes with the "Smart 2.0" checkup.
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