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08-06-2009 08:31 AM
Orphan-Beggar
Joe Nolan (IIHS) on practicality...

"Although midsize car bumpers still allow way too much damage in minor impacts, it's encouraging that some manufacturers are designing better ones," Nolan says. He points out that the front and rear bumpers of the 2009 Mazda 6 are wider, taller, and higher off the ground than the 2007 model. The Mazda 6 is only the fourth car tested under the new protocol to earn an acceptable rating for its bumpers. The others are the Ford Focus, Scion xB, and Smart Fortwo

"Consumers buy midsize cars for practical reasons. There's nothing practical about a $1,000-plus repair bill after a minor bump in commuter traffic," says Joe Nolan, Institute senior vice president

Bumper performance in low-speed crash tests:
MIDSIZE CAR RATINGS

Mazda 6 ACCEPTABLE
Honda Accord MARGINAL
Hyundai Sonata MARGINAL
Nissan Maxima POOR
Ford Fusion POOR
Chevrolet Malibu POOR
08-06-2009 05:03 AM
forestacademy
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Originally Posted by SmartAzz View Post
Gee, guess what, "Crash Tests Show Midsize Bumpers Costly to Repair"


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009...er-Safety.html

Bet the media won't make as huge a deal out of it as they did with the small cars
NO!! But we can make a big deal out of it


Remember, the only way to get a GOOD raiting from the IIHS is to have the damage under $500 so you don't call your insurance company



08-05-2009 10:41 PM
Suze I had an '02 Tacoma that I ever-so-slowly backed in to a parking lot concrete light post cylinder. I couldn't have been going over 5 mph. Seriously!

The repair bill was over $1000.


What is a bumper for? Certainly not to protect the vehicle from costly repairs. That truck had a beautiful chrome bumper.

Loved the truck, but that incident and another accident (not my fault no matter what the judge said) caused me to lose faith in the whole "bigger is better" ideal.
08-05-2009 10:15 PM
SmartAzz Gee, guess what, "Crash Tests Show Midsize Bumpers Costly to Repair"


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009...er-Safety.html

Bet the media won't make as huge a deal out of it as they did with the small cars
06-14-2009 09:25 PM
kgeissler According to the IIHS website here is the cost to repair some other cars:
Honda Odyssey: $1388
Audi A4: $1288
BMW 3 Series: $1888
Mercedes Benz C Class: $3378
the list goes on and on.

The only 2 cars cheaper to fix than the $899 Fortwo were the Ford Focus at $691 and the Scion XB at $892, both "small" cars. So, just for the record, these "mini cars" are actually the cheapest of any cars to fix.
06-12-2009 04:56 AM
conchobar The IIHS is so lame. They do a simple experiment and spin the results to create a narrative. Their crash test study presented no evidence that small cars have disproportionately higher repair cost for fender benders than larger cars. Actually, there was no new crash test study, but a continuation of a study starting in the 90s. The results of these new cars fall in line with all the other vehicles classes, yet they release portions of the experiment to single out a particular vehicle class. The IIHS is like school in the summertime.....NO CLASS!!!
06-11-2009 09:24 PM
SuperGeek
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Originally Posted by fpage77 View Post
I thought if the Trideon was damaged that compromised the safety cell? The metal in that area will never perform exactly the same again after being pulled and kanoodled back into position.
The Tridion has several layers: outside fascia and a few inner structural layers. All of them can be repaired, sanded, welded, etc. per the Intro To Service Manual which recommends different welding techniques for each segment of steel.

So, the Tridion CAN be repaired depending on the damage it receives. Just like the frame of any other car - if those can be welded and pulled into square, the strength is often maintained.
06-11-2009 08:42 PM
Orphan-Beggar (2007)
This is kind of a long-known fact, but there's some new data to back it up. Just because you pony up those extra tens of thousands of dollars for a luxury car doesn't mean you will get bumpers that protect you from damage any better. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) just released a new report on the amount of monetary damages suffered by some luxury and near-luxury vehicles in low-speed impacts - parking lot mishaps and fender benders at 3 to 6 miles per hour. They found that in this group of cars, repair bills could be as high as $14,000! While that doesn't mean the passengers are inherently unsafe in these vehicles, the high repair costs can get people, well, a little upset.

While we don't necessarily agree with IIHS VP Joe Nolan when he says "There shouldn't be much or any damage in collisions at these speeds," we were a little shocked by the numbers. While testing 11 different 2007 luxury vehicles, for instance, the IIHS found the Infiniti G35 had the highest repair bill. It totaled a whopping $14,000, which is quite a bit when the whole car retails for just $31,450. But in all fairness, this is a series of four different tests and labor and paint work often add a lot to repairs. Working down the list, the Acura TL and Mercedes C Class required more than $11,000 in repairs, the Lexus ES was just under $11,000, and the Lexus IS was about $9,500. Repair totals for some others were $8,224 for the Volvo S60, $7,554 for the Acura TSX and $6,681 for the BMW 3 Series. The best three vehicles in the tests were the Saab 9-3, Audi A4 and Lincoln MKZ, all with less than $6,000 in damages.
06-11-2009 08:02 PM
conchobar Want to see something funny?

IIHS reports luxury cars have expensive fender benders - Autoblog
06-11-2009 07:57 PM
gstreetcomic i saw that news reel on the Smart and it's acceptable rating on the minor collision test. First thought was "OMG another Smart bashing clip".It was actually put in positive light this time.
Little do these bozo's seem to forget is that underneath those plastic body parts are well designed steel structures, example we see a crushed front fender, but there is a very strong steel bumper-guard underneath it.
I do commend the media for not doing the bashing of the Smart. My oldest nephew on the other hand had the nerve to call Mr Blue a death trap. I shall educate him with the safe and smart web site.
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