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Alright, so I just learned that my probationary period at work ends in two months...and as part of being on boarded, I get a bonus...a bonus so huuuuuge I can buy a fleet of new 451s and still have money for savings.

So, if this all goes well, I've decided to give my 451 a new home, then start fresh with a 453.

I really want a passion coupe with a white Tridion, Orange panels, Orange interior, manual tranny, fog lights, and the exterior LED package. However, I'm not really interested in a 2016 as I don't want to deal with the potential for the fueling issue to pop up.

Does anyone know when the 453 coupes will be available as a 2017? And are there any deals I should be aware of?

- Miss Mercedes - Here we go againnnnnnnnnn!!! :x
 

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Alright, so I just learned that my probationary period at work ends in two months...and as part of being on boarded, I get a bonus...a bonus so huuuuuge I can buy a fleet of new 451s and still have money for savings.

So, if this all goes well, I've decided to give my 451 a new home, then start fresh with a 453.

I really want a passion coupe with a white Tridion, Orange panels, Orange interior, manual tranny, fog lights, and the exterior LED package. However, I'm not really interested in a 2016 as I don't want to deal with the potential for the fueling issue to pop up.

Does anyone know when the 453 coupes will be available as a 2017? And are there any deals I should be aware of?

- Miss Mercedes - Here we go againnnnnnnnnn!!! :x
Hello there! The 453 coupes will probably be released and start coming in this Fall as '17 models. However, there will probably be leftover '16s on their way out the door and you are likely to get a better deal on an outgoing '16 than you are an incoming '17.

The fuel issue is going to be resolved on the older models eventually, so it can be addressed under warranty if you buy one of the affected cars.
 

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Don't hold your breath - fortwo sales are under performing so there's no incentive for M-B to bring in another model (not to mention their usual "it's too expensive to certify another model" excuse.) :)
 

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Let me add to the "get a great deal on an outgoing 2016." I don't say this out of generic "it's outgoing so it should be lower priced" thinking. Because that hasn't always been the case with cars because supply can be an issue at times.

I say it because the 2016 has a 0% APR offer on the table *COMBINED WITH* up to $1,000 cash incentive. I don't believe that is going to be on the table forever, so in my opinion now is an excellent time for anybody planning to buy/finance/keep the car for an extended period of time.

Now, it might be tough to grab a white tridion with orange body/orange interior, stick shift smart, but that issue can be dealt with once the buyer is ready to start buying. If a '17 is a must, that's a can that's going to be kicked down the road.
 

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Well, I can't argue with Kamaal on that logic. Assuming everything goes as promised, my favourite/least favourite local dealer shall get a call!

How's the fix coming for that fueling issue?
 

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Well, I can't argue with Kamaal on that logic. Assuming everything goes as promised, my favourite/least favourite local dealer shall get a call!

How's the fix coming for that fueling issue?
Only two ways to get the issue resolved. Either something will have to be retrofitted/design change somewhere along the fillup process (tank/filler pipe-hose/evap system,etc), or it's a software issue causing it to display the incorrect level of fuel. A software issue would be the easiest remedy and if smart is lucky that's all it is.

smart has acknowledged the issue, and mb's engineers are working on a remedy for it. I'm sure jwight is probably the best at finding that thread.
 

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Don't hold your breath - fortwo sales are under performing so there's no incentive for M-B to bring in another model (not to mention their usual "it's too expensive to certify another model" excuse.) :)
So the sales on our very limited niche market vehicle are slow, so we aren't going to bring in a vehicle that would potentially have a MUCH larger potential customer base.
Yep, that makes lots of sense. :shrug:
 

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So the sales on our very limited niche market vehicle are slow, so we aren't going to bring in a vehicle that would potentially have a MUCH larger potential customer base.
Yep, that makes lots of sense. :shrug:
It makes total sense because the one thing the smart has going for it that no other car does is its size. The ForFour model will not have that going for it and will be competing with a slew of competitors. Daimler isn't stupid... they'd most likely get slaughtered at the pricepoint they need to make a buck.

Too bad but that's how free market economics works.
 

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It makes total sense because the one thing the smart has going for it that no other car does is its size. The ForFour model will not have that going for it and will be competing with a slew of competitors.

Can you find any other 4-door car that'd come close to the ForFour's 137" length or 28' turning circle?
 

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Can you find any other 4-door car that'd come close to the ForFour's 137" length or 28' turning circle?
Or one that is rear-engined, with a 3-cylinder and dual clutch transmission, with the body panel concept?

There are some people who enjoy and embrace driving a 3-cylinder car, or an engine that is not overly fast and overly powerful (unnecessary for a commuter/errand running car)...
 

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Can you find any other 4-door car that'd come close to the ForFour's 137" length or 28' turning circle?
And just why do you think that matters? How many cars have a tachometer stuck on the left side of a dash? Does that make the car sell better?

People will simply buy a Honda Fit for $16,000.

Or one that is rear-engined, with a 3-cylinder and dual clutch transmission, with the body panel concept?

There are some people who enjoy and embrace driving a 3-cylinder car, or an engine that is not overly fast and overly powerful (unnecessary for a commuter/errand running car)...
There are some people like that (I would be one of them) but are there enough to make it worthwile?

No or the car would be here.
 

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And just why do you think that matters? How many cars have a tachometer stuck on the left side of a dash? Does that make the car sell better?

People will simply buy a Honda Fit for $16,000.
Because doing things a different way means you don't end up with a cookie cutter "all the same" design. I have a Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla. They are old. I owned them before I joined Mercedes-Benz 10 years ago. I just never got rid of my old Honda's and Toyota's. I appreciate those cars for how they are designed. But they are, quite frankly, extremely cookie cutter cars and are quite boring vehicles. There are very minor differences between the two cars in terms of interior design, driving dynamics, quality, performance, etc,. Very little.

smart cars are exciting. Doing things in a different way brings excitement, and not listening to the status quo means I'm enjoying things that I like on my own rather than following everybody else because I need other people to validate my enjoyment of something I like.

A 28 foot turning circle is awesome for a 4 door sedan, it means shorter u-turns, easier movements in parking lots, and parallel parking entry/exit is easier. It's an advantage. If you'd rather have a larger turning circle, I guess it doesn't matter.
 

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And just why do you think that matters? How many cars have a tachometer stuck on the left side of a dash? Does that make the car sell better?

People will simply buy a Honda Fit for $16,000.
Nothing wrong with the Honda Fit. But there's also nothing wrong with the smart, either. And it seems to me that the masses like the Honda Fit more simply because of the Honda name, and simply because over and over again the masses continually act like there are no advantages to a rear engined vehicle, or a smaller vehicle, or a shorter vehicle, etc,. As long as people who don't know any better believe what other people tell them to believe out of peer pressure, they'll continue to diss the smart for its differences.

The Honda Fit has its advantages. But dog gonnit, so does a smart car. It has its advantages. The difference between the advantages of the Honda Fit and those of smart, are that Honda Fits advantages aren't really advantages when compared to every other typically designed little car. The smart car advantages are unique to smart and only smart because no other company designs compact cars the way the smart car is designed. smart is in its own category.



There are some people like that (I would be one of them) but are there enough to make it worthwile?

No or the car would be here.
There aren't enough because people buy based on popularity contests. Peer pressure and has very little to do with engineering or design. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :):nerd::D
 

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Can you find any other 4-door car that'd come close to the ForFour's 137" length or 28' turning circle?

And just why do you think that matters?

You answered your own question here:

It makes total sense because the one thing the smart has going for it that no other car does is its size.
But I didn't understand your point here:

How many cars have a tachometer stuck on the left side of a dash? Does that make the car sell better?
What does the placement of a tachometer have to do with the length of a ForFour which we had been discussing? It's a complete non sequitur.
 

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What does the placement of a tachometer have to do with the length of a ForFour which we had been discussing? It's a complete non sequitur.
It has nothing to do with it. I doubt many consumers will care if the ForFour has a turning circle that is 2 feet smaller than a Fit when there are a slew of cars $2,000 to $5,000 less.

Bottom line... if it was going to sell in enough numbers, it would be here. It obviously won't so we'll never see it. The smart itself is only sold here for the CAFE credits.

So, because of Big Brother "economics," we can enjoy the ForTwo.
 

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My general consensus is that the forfour SHOULD be sold here...but since smart really only sells here for CAFE credits, MB USA has little motive to import the forfour over here. As it is, I reckon smart USA doesn't make MB USA much money...but we're necessary to keep around so they can sell as many S-Classes as they want.

Anyway, two weeks ago the company I was working for decided to outsource to Jordan because it would be so much cheaper than paying me what they promised.

Effectively, they promised a whole lot to me, kept me around long enough to overhaul their network, overhaul their computers, and to automate their systems (two months)...then quite literally fired me on the spot then escorted me out of the building. It was worse than a bait and switch and more degrading than a number of things I've experienced.

So yay, the money I would have spent for Deadwood and for a new smart is instead being spent on keeping us afloat-ish until I get a new career.

In good news, since I know that a new smart is almost impossible for a while, I DID repair pretty much all of Tucker's problems. Now the only thing that remains is the clunky clutch actuator.
 
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