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So has anyone seen the technical specs on the 451?

Engine displ., hp, torque, 0-60, fuel system, trans. options, tank cap., EPA fuel economy, track, base,, ANYTHING? :confused:
 

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I'm starting to answer my own questions. For those of you who are interested from http://www.edmunds.com/smart/fortwo/2008/review.html:

"Powertrains and Performance
The 2008 Smart Fortwo is powered by a 1.0-liter three-cylinder engine that produces 71 hp and 68 pound-feet of torque. Surprisingly, it requires premium fuel. The maximum speed is 90 mph, with a 0-60-mph time of an estimated 13.3 seconds. The wonky five-speed automanual transmission found in the last Smart car has been replaced by a smoother and quicker-shifting unit. It still drives the Fortwo's rear wheels and is shifted without a clutch via a simple console-mounted stick (and column-mounted paddles on Passion models), but there is now a fully automatic mode as well. With its 8.7-gallon tank, the Fortwo is expected to get combined fuel economy of more than 40 mpg. "
 

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Information on the difference between the 450 & 451 models from asmartcar.com:

You have two choices on your smart car purchase and here they are:

US-converted smart cars --------------------2008 release smart

currently available -------------------------- Estimated First Qtr 2008
-------------------------------------------- availability

They require costly importing &-------------- Meets U.S. standards from
conversion to U.S. EPA & ------------------- factory
safety standards

Mercedes 3-cyl, 0.7 litre, 61 HP ------------- Mitsubishi 3-cyl, 1.0 litre, 71 HP
Turbocharged gas engine-------------------- Non-turbocharged gas engine

Original European design -------------------- New Americanized design
Smallest car in the world at 8'-2.5"---------- 7" longer design, 500 pounds
------------------------------------------- heavier, 80% revised components
------------------------------------------- in 2008

Limited distribution of about ----------------16,000 first-year distribution,
1,000 cars with 800-900 already ----------- available through United Auto
sold, collector number medallions ----------- Group (Penske Auto Group)
with release #

2005 or 2006 model years ------------------ Reserve at smartUSA web site for $99
available with 4-50 miles on cars

4-year/50,000-mile third-party ------------- Warranty not yet announced
warranty

Available for U.S. titling in 45 --------------- Dealers not yet announced (70?)
States, except ME, MA, RI, VT, NY

Prices from $26,900 for Passion ------------- Pricing not yet firm. Estimated:
high-end Coupe ---------------------------- High-end Coupe: $14,000-17,000

Prices from $30,900 for -------------------- Convertible: $17,000-20,000
Convertible (Cabrio) ----------------------- Low-end entry level: $12,000

Most fun car you'll ever own --------------- Most fun car you'll ever own
 

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Nice post, Ihoboy. This conforms to all the accumulative info' out there and appears to be accurate - at least until Penske's UAG releases the final word. As to pricing, who can be certain that dealers, even if contracted to MSRP pricing, will not go for mark ups (translate: added dealer markup!)? If this little gem gets into our collective hands (those with early $99 deposits) we will enjoy only what a Ferrari owner can experience. That is, a new vehicle that increases in value after leaving the show room. Does anyone believe this will really happen?
 

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I don't remember if I saw a trip computer when I test drove the SMART in Connecticut. Does the dashboard have a digital MPG or something like it?
 

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The odometer is your typical moving needle display, and below this is a digital
"multifunctional display" which includes clock, gear display, fuel gauge, outside temperature and trip recorder. Don't think there is a sophisticated computer that can calculate mpg, avg speed, etc.

 

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Information on the difference between the 450 & 451 models from asmartcar.com:

You have two choices on your smart car purchase and here they are:

US-converted smart cars --------------------2008 release smart

currently available -------------------------- Estimated First Qtr 2008
-------------------------------------------- availability

They require costly importing &-------------- Meets U.S. standards from
conversion to U.S. EPA & ------------------- factory
safety standards

Mercedes 3-cyl, 0.7 litre, 61 HP ------------- Mitsubishi 3-cyl, 1.0 litre, 71 HP
Turbocharged gas engine-------------------- Non-turbocharged gas engine

Original European design -------------------- New Americanized design
Smallest car in the world at 8'-2.5"---------- 7" longer design, 500 pounds
------------------------------------------- heavier, 80% revised components
------------------------------------------- in 2008

Limited distribution of about ----------------16,000 first-year distribution,
1,000 cars with 800-900 already ----------- available through United Auto
sold, collector number medallions ----------- Group (Penske Auto Group)
with release #

2005 or 2006 model years ------------------ Reserve at smartUSA web site for $99
available with 4-50 miles on cars

4-year/50,000-mile third-party ------------- Warranty not yet announced
warranty

Available for U.S. titling in 45 --------------- Dealers not yet announced (70?)
States, except ME, MA, RI, VT, NY

Prices from $26,900 for Passion ------------- Pricing not yet firm. Estimated:
high-end Coupe ---------------------------- High-end Coupe: $14,000-17,000

Prices from $30,900 for -------------------- Convertible: $17,000-20,000
Convertible (Cabrio) ----------------------- Low-end entry level: $12,000

Most fun car you'll ever own --------------- Most fun car you'll ever own

500lbs heavier? That doesnt sound right.
 

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The Euro 451 curb weight is 750kg for the coupe, and 780kg for the cabrio. Both have a total loaded weight limit of 1020kg. 1kg = 2.2#.
 

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The Euro 451 curb weight is 750kg for the coupe, and 780kg for the cabrio. Both have a total loaded weight limit of 1020kg. 1kg = 2.2#.
That would put the 451 at 40 lbs over the 450. That difference seems to be a bit light given the extra 8 inches of length.
 

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Dunno. They say that 80% of the 451's components have changed so there may be more to it than 8" of body length. The new engines and transmissions could be significantly lighter than the 450's.
 

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Dunno. They say that 80% of the 451's components have changed so there may be more to it than 8" of body length. The new engines and transmissions could be significantly lighter than the 450's.
This is great news if the 451 only added that 40 lbs. Based on the specs that were published above, it certainly looked like the Smart was turning into a pig real fast.
 
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