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453 Window encountering resistance when rolling up

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Hey all. Still on a mission to fix all the issues with my new purchase, with this window being the last of it.

On my passenger side window, I can roll it up and down fine when the door is opened, though when the door is closed, the window seems to detect resistance near the top and decides to close.

If I slowly inch up on the top, the window will close, although you can see it really has to force its way up and even pushes the door out a little. (Notice the top of the trim, a gap appears.)
I also noticed if I push outward on the window as its closing, it'll close fine. That's how it closes at the end of the video without any issue.


I think it's pretty obvious there's a misalignment somewhere, but I wouldn't know where exactly. Closing the window with the door open works exactly as expected.

My best guess is the weather stripping up here by the A pillar is a little too thick on the passenger's side, causing the window to pinch between the seal and not have enough room to move up all the way.

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I'm not too sure where to go from here, as I'm not sure how to take the weather stripping out or if that's even the issue. If anyone here has experience working around this area of their 453, I'd appreciate your advice. I'd take it in to have someone qualified look at it, though It's such a non-issue for me that I don't care to fix it if it'll cost me more than $50.

Thanks in advance.
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The usual problem is the gap within the weather strip is too narrow and the window backs down automatically, as it thinks a hand or head has got trapped in the glass. I had that problem when still under warranty. The dealership just enlarged the gap somehow in the strip, and there was no longer any friction.

But you seem to have the glass encountering the top of the window too tight, so I would say the whole door has moved in too far. Have a look at the door and see if it is in too far in. you can check to see if the metal tridion behind the door and the door panel itself are a smooth transition, and not a 1mm or 2 mm difference. If this is the case, the door will have to be moved out in your case, by the lock adjustment in the door being moved in slightly. Enough to free the window but still be rain proof.

I had the opposite movement of the door, ie, my passenger door was moving outwards over the years (screws in lock not tightened enough) and got to the door panel being 2mm proud of the side of the car, and was not a smooth transition between metal tridion and the door, and although the window operation was OK, the actual door locking was getting jambed up occasionally. So I had to adjust the lock in the door and move it outwards by adjusting the screws, this pulled the door back in. (the door catch latch itself on the metal tridion is non-adjustable, its the lock that is adjustable to move the door in or out). Good luck

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so I would say the whole door has moved in too far. Have a look at the door and see if it is in too far in. you can check to see if the metal tridion behind the door and the door panel itself are a smooth transition, and not a 1mm or 2 mm difference. If this is the case, the door will have to be moved out in your case, by the lock adjustment in the door being moved in slightly. Enough to free the window but still be rain proof.
I entertained this possibility when I was messing with it the other day, but no, it all seems correct to me. Passenger side doesn't stick out or sink in any more than the driver's side. Adjusting it would definitely make one side uneven.
You may have to move the door out 0.5mm to 1mm to free the glass, as there is no adjusting the rake (angle) of the window, as its in a fixed welded frame inside the door for the window runners.

been through all this when i had the 'door moved outwards' problem, thinking I could adjust the window rake, but you cannot.

Otherwise just live with it, the way you have it.
as there is no adjusting the rake (angle) of the window, as its in a fixed welded frame inside the door for the window runners.
Was another idea in my head, so good to know that won't be one of the things I have to try. Thanks!

Adjusting the door to latch just a little further out feels extreme to me, so I'll keep the idea in mind if I ever get super annoyed with it, but for now I think I'll entertain the idea of trying to readjust the weather stripping or possibly even cutting it to be slightly thinner at the pinch point.
I actually 3D printed a plastic wedge that I can slip behind the weather stripping, and that works pretty well, but using this causes it to make concerning noises and puts unneeded stress on the window. I don't think it's a good solution.
stress on window!!!...The last thing you want to do is break the side glass on a 453 fortwo, as the outside panel has to be removed to replace the glass, or even to upgrade the door speakers (making a simple speaker job far more difficult). Its a lot of work, unlike most cars where the door card can be removed from inside the car, for easy access.
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Sitting in the parking lot waiting in my car and I had a few minutes to spare, so I pulled off the weather stripping to inspect and see if I could think up a solution. Didn't seem much, so I just put it back.

Watching the window go up and down, I noticed there was really a spot maybe half an inch across in particular that the window would seem to hit and couldn't overcome. I noticed that if I pushed that side in even slightly, the window would close without any problems.

This gave me the idea to try to clamp the weather stripping inwards and use a heatgun or blowdryer or something to try to permanently alter the shape of the weather stripping runoff channel ever so slightly backwards in just that area to hopefully clear the window. Didn't get the chance to try that, though.

When I got home, I went to close my window, and it just... worked? I tried to show my plan to my mom, and the window just closed on me. I tried it like 3 more times, and it just kept closing. So I guess it just fixed itself?

No idea how or why. I'll take it though!
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Talking about side windows on the 453 coupe. Here in the UK we get black rubber lines forming on the windows due to bits of rubber seals residue coming off. If you do not clean these lines off every few months, then it gets sticky, and eventually it is difficult to lower the window. So have to remove these lines. Its to do with the specific seal the coupe has, as I also own a 453 cabrio and its a different rubber seal material, with no black line residue at all. weird! .....Not sure if you get the same black line problem in the USA.

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Talking about side windows on the 453 coupe. Here in the UK we get black rubber lines forming on the windows due to bits of rubber seals residue coming off. If you do not clean these lines off every few months, then it gets sticky, and eventually it is difficult to lower the window. So have to remove these lines. Its to do with the specific seal the coupe has, as I also own a 453 cabrio and its a different rubber seal material, with no black line residue at all. weird! .....Not sure if you get the same black line problem in the USA.

Yep! Cleaned that off. Thanks for the reminder.
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What method did you do to clean it off 🤔
I keep some alcohol based wipes in my car, used one of those on the window and it pulled the dirt/rubber residue line right up. Doesn't seem to cause any issues.
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Thanks I'll give that a try I have some clorox wipes I'll try that 😀
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UPDATE clorox wipes didn't do the job so I tried windex and that did the trick, after I was done I sprayed some windex on a paper towel and cleaned up the weatherstripping and you will be amazed about all the black crud that came off of the weatherstripping, ended up doing both sides 😀
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UPDATE clorox wipes didn't do the job so I tried windex and that did the trick, after I was done I sprayed some windex on a paper towel and cleaned up the weatherstripping and you will be amazed about all the black crud that came off of the weatherstripping, ended up doing both sides 😀
Interesting! I used wipes on the window and it worked fine.

Yeah, I wiped off the weather stripping too, veeeery dirty. I'll go back and clean the rest of it off some day. Hope to get my car professionally detailed within the coming months.
If you have after market window tint, alcohol based cleaning products are not recommended. I do have after market tint and I was told to use just water on a micro fiber cloth.
If you have after market window tint, alcohol based cleaning products are not recommended. I do have after market tint and I was told to use just water on a micro fiber cloth.
I only used the windex on the affected area and not on the whole window, I have window tint and everything worked out fine 🙃
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Interestingly, my window started doing it again. I pulled back the weather stripping, cleaned the metal, pinched the stripping so it hugs the metal more closely, and that seemed to fix it again. Wonder how permanent of a solution this is 😅
Yeah, I have the same issue "sometimes" on the passenger window. Pulling the top of the glass inward before rolling it up all the way works for me.
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