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Just wondering how popular the 5 speed version was ? It's fun running through the gears and using a real clutch :) .
 

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Just wondering how popular the 5 speed version was ? It's fun running through the gears and using a real clutch :) .
Folks are buying them, but from my experience they are buying them generally because the DCT auto runs $990 additional on the MSRP. I have had a few folks that didn't want a DCT and only a manual, but few and far between.

My personal opinion is that the DCT auto/manual makes a true manual transmission obsolete. However, some folks still want true manual control for personal preferences. :nerd:
 

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Our dealership finally sold its last two 453 manuals. Both had been sitting on the lot since the end of 2015. The Consumer, not interested in them. If I would be in the market for a new smart car. It would be a manual transmission one. Small cars with manuals are a blast to drive. Owned a lot of Honda's with them over the years.
CRX's, Civic's, Predule's, and Accords. Honda still offers them in their brands line up.
 

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I have a manual 453 that I thoroughly enjoy. Running it through the gears certainly gets the blood pumping! I did have an automatic on loan for about a week and I must admit, the DCT was very smooth. I still prefer a stick though lol
 

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A DCT and regular auto will decide at what rate it will wear, determining when it's worn out. A manual transmission will respond to the abilities of the driver and the clutch linings and synchromesh will not wear out in the lifetime of the vehicle, if the driver is skilled. Yet another reason to prefer "obsolete" manuals, if you keep a car 100K+ miles. I've run cars to over 250K miles on the original clutch and when tearing them down, the linings were still in spec.
 

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I had a 453 DCT loaner when my 5-speed was at the dealer for the gas tank "fix" for about a week or so. Overall, the only thing i enjoyed about the DCT was not having to pay attention to shifting. That didn't last long, though. Especially in those times where it seemed like it just wanted to go if you released the brake pedal ever so slightly.

Really prefer the 5-speed. Even some people who have seen my get out of my car in parking lots and took a liking to said it's awesome that it has a manual transmission.
 

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Anyone know if this has a wet clutch or dry . I can't seem to find much info on the manual 5 speed , just a picture of the transmission from the outside in a booklet .
 

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A DCT and regular auto will decide at what rate it will wear, determining when it's worn out. A manual transmission will respond to the abilities of the driver and the clutch linings and synchromesh will not wear out in the lifetime of the vehicle, if the driver is skilled. Yet another reason to prefer "obsolete" manuals, if you keep a car 100K+ miles. I've run cars to over 250K miles on the original clutch and when tearing them down, the linings were still in spec.
Very true. I have never burned out the clutch in a manual transmission. I have a 1992 Isuzu Impulse with 300k original miles. I took the oem clutch up to 270k miles. Never had a problem, the car pulled strong. Let a relative borrow the car for 2 weeks and suddenly it needed a clutch job.

My dad's (now my) 1994 Geo Metro XFi clutch lasted 200k miles (now has 300k, and sits in my car collection) while we drove it. Let another relative borrow it and it took a couple months and it suddenly needed a clutch.

Talk to other friends and relatives throughout the years who drive clutches on many other vehicles, and they talk about clutch replacement as if it's routine. I can't help but believe in the far back of my mind that the driver might be burning out the clutch with unnecessary wear. Talk to clutch burners and they rarely ever admit that their poor shifting habits are prematurely wearing clutches out.

Hypothetically, the computer and automated clutch control SHOULD outperform most humans. I agree with you while also not disagreeing with the idea that the automated clutches can be an improvement as well.

Basically, the automated clutch offers more precise control of the clutch therefore meaning longer clutch life. In reality, the automated clutch technology has yet to PROVE that, particularly when compared to drivers who drive hundreds of thousands of miles without ever having burned a clutch out.
 

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I've known folks who keep a foot on the clutch pedal like some do on the brake with auto tranny. Always had one stick shift car until late '90s from the age of 17 on. Never had a clutch burn out. Had a '62 Beetle with bad main oil seal that kept saturating clutch disc but that wasn't my doing. Defective crank.
 

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I would have bought a manual had:

1. Mister_smart_LA had one with a pano roof at the time.

2. I had not been absolutely intoxicated by the allure of the edition #1 .

I'll probably figure out a way to pick up a deeply discounted manual in the future :D

I'm in no hurry to wear out a car for which there is no replacement. :(
My 453 only has 4700 miles. That means since driving it home last October I've only driven it 2,500 miles. It's basically my weekend car. Now that I have a garage it isn't even going to get driven in the salt either.
 

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I've got a 2016 with manual tranny and according to the dealership, the only one they sold. I've had 3 VW bugs, a Nissan Xterra, Opel Kadet, 2 Toyota pickups and a Geo Prism all with manual trannys. The wife drives an automatic smart 2016
 

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We drove both in the 453. the 'auto' wasn't as responsive as the gearbox, so we bought the 5-speed.

It is everything we like, and you can run thru the gears effortlessly up to the top end @ 105.

A thoroughly wonderful car.

SubRosa
 
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